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    Lap Bars or Seat Belts: The New Matterhorn Bobsleds Rorschach Test

    Lap Bars or Seat Belts?

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    Al Lutz reported "locking lap bars" on April 3 (source), but in the above photo you can make out the yellow strap that they have on seat belt rides like Indy and Soarin'. The one you have to tug on while the CM assures everyone's buckled.

    Others think the "yellow tab" could actually be a lap bar.

    And some old salties think it looks just like the old belt-and-hook restraint method...

    It's ... a ... Puzzlement!
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    I'd prefer lap bars that guests could not undo. This is less of an issue for me now (I'm a helicopter parent.) with the new higher height requirement, but David Koenig's excellent book, Mouse Tales: a Behind-the-Scenes Look at Disneyland, Chapter 8 ("Fatal Attractions") has this paragraph on page 170:

    "The park's first fatality was Mark Maples, a fifteen-year-old boy playing hooky from school with friends on a Friday morning in 1964. As their bobsled whipped through the Matterhorn, a companion unbuckled Maples' seatbelt. Nearing the top of the peak, Maples tried to stand up. . ."

    I think you know where this is going.
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    Re: Lap Bars or Seat Belts: The New Matterhorn Bobsleds Rorschach Test

    The tabs are found on Space Mountain in Florida. You pull on those to make sure the lapbar is secure.

    It greatly reduces the time spent checking restraints.
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    Re: Lap Bars or Seat Belts: The New Matterhorn Bobsleds Rorschach Test

    Dig those recliner seats!

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    Re: Lap Bars or Seat Belts: The New Matterhorn Bobsleds Rorschach Test

    I'm viewing this on my iPhone so I'm able to expand the picture. It's a seat belt.

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    Re: Lap Bars or Seat Belts: The New Matterhorn Bobsleds Rorschach Test

    they are the lap belts, not a bar. Here's a close up photo from Datline Disney. You can't see the belt, but there is no lap bar either.

    On a side note, does it look like there is no room for your legs if you sit in the front?
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    Re: Lap Bars or Seat Belts: The New Matterhorn Bobsleds Rorschach Test

    I found a picture I took of the Space Mountain Trains. You can see the tab on the end of the lapbar.

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    Re: Lap Bars or Seat Belts: The New Matterhorn Bobsleds Rorschach Test

    Quote Originally Posted by jcruise86 View Post
    ... with the new higher height requirement ...
    The height requirement is also puzzling.

    Al Lutz (source) and the OC Register (source) both mentioned a new 42" height requirement.

    Is DLR saying that the height requirement will not change? Here is DLR's response to a question from Aaron about the height requirement (source):

    Aaron's Question:

    There is some speculation on the ride height requirement changing for
    MATTERHORN once it is refurbed and reopened in June. Do [you] have any
    information on the height requirement changing
    and when the Disneyland
    Park website will be updated to reflect any changes? Thank you!

    DLR's Response:

    Thank you for your e-mail to the DISNEYLAND® Resort.

    You will be pleased to know that our height requirement will not change
    on our refurbished Matterhorn Bobsleds attraction. Again, thank you for
    taking the time to write. We hope you will have the opportunity to visit
    the DISNEYLAND® Resort soon and trust your visit will be pleasant in all
    regards.

    Sincerely,

    Linda Trump
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    Guest Communications
    May 14, 2012

    35" or 42" ?

    P.S. - I can't prove it, but I believe the above e-mail is legit.

    UPDATE: As of June 11, 2012, the Wait Board lists the new height requirement for the Matterhorn Bobsleds as 42". See post #34 for a photo.

    The CM's letter above is an example of "CM Roulette."
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    Re: Lap Bars or Seat Belts: The New Matterhorn Bobsleds Rorschach Test

    Quote Originally Posted by Belobog View Post


    DLR's Response:

    Thank you for your e-mail to the DISNEYLAND® Resort.

    You will be pleased to know that our height requirement will not change
    on our refurbished Matterhorn Bobsleds attraction. Again, thank you for
    taking the time to write. We hope you will have the opportunity to visit
    the DISNEYLAND® Resort soon and trust your visit will be pleasant in all
    regards.

    Sincerely,

    Linda Trump
    DISNEYLAND® Resort
    Guest Communications


    Like the old Buffalo Springfield song, "There's something hap-pen-ing here, what it is ain't exactly clear!"

    P.S. - I can't prove it, but I believe the above e-mail is legit.
    Well, wouldn't that just be awesome! Less than a month until we find out for sure.

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    Re: Lap Bars or Seat Belts: The New Matterhorn Bobsleds Rorschach Test

    Either one...just get the ride open!!!

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    Re: Lap Bars or Seat Belts: The New Matterhorn Bobsleds Rorschach Test

    Quote Originally Posted by jcruise86 View Post
    I'd prefer lap bars that guests could not undo. This is less of an issue for me now (I'm a helicopter parent.) with the new higher height requirement, but David Koenig's excellent book, Mouse Tales: a Behind-the-Scenes Look at Disneyland, Chapter 8 ("Fatal Attractions") has this paragraph on page 170:

    "The park's first fatality was Mark Maples, a fifteen-year-old boy playing hooky from school with friends on a Friday morning in 1964. As their bobsled whipped through the Matterhorn, a companion unbuckled Maples' seatbelt. Nearing the top of the peak, Maples tried to stand up. . ."

    I think you know where this is going.
    This is a non-issue, seat-belts also cannot be undone with today's technology. Countless rides at the DLR use locking seat-belts.
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    Re: Lap Bars or Seat Belts: The New Matterhorn Bobsleds Rorschach Test

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateLover View Post
    they are the lap belts, not a bar. Here's a close up photo from Datline Disney. You can't see the belt, but there is no lap bar either.

    On a side note, does it look like there is no room for your legs if you sit in the front?
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    Odd.
    The upper teal colored sled has blue covers over the restraints, but the lower one pictured has no cover. Are those weights for test rolling?
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    Re: Lap Bars or Seat Belts: The New Matterhorn Bobsleds Rorschach Test

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateLover View Post
    they are the lap belts, not a bar. Here's a close up photo from Datline Disney. You can't see the belt, but there is no lap bar either.

    On a side note, does it look like there is no room for your legs if you sit in the front?
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    NM, I was confused for a minute.

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    Re: Lap Bars or Seat Belts: The New Matterhorn Bobsleds Rorschach Test

    Quote Originally Posted by Belobog View Post
    The height requirement is also puzzling.

    Al Lutz (source) and the OC Register (source) both mentioned a new 42" height requirement.

    Is DLR saying that the height requirement will not change? Here is DLR's response to a question from Aaron about the height requirement (source):

    Aaron's Question:

    There is some speculation on the ride height requirement changing for
    MATTERHORN once it is refurbed and reopened in June. Do [you] have any
    information on the height requirement changing
    and when the Disneyland
    Park website will be updated to reflect any changes? Thank you!

    DLR's Response:

    Thank you for your e-mail to the DISNEYLAND® Resort.

    You will be pleased to know that our height requirement will not change
    on our refurbished Matterhorn Bobsleds attraction. Again, thank you for
    taking the time to write. We hope you will have the opportunity to visit
    the DISNEYLAND® Resort soon and trust your visit will be pleasant in all
    regards.

    Sincerely,

    Linda Trump
    DISNEYLAND® Resort
    Guest Communications
    May 14, 2012

    35" or 42" ?

    P.S. - I can't prove it, but I believe the above e-mail is legit.
    Yeah multiple times I've heard that it was getting lap bars not seat belts but every picture of the new sleds show locking seat belts. So I'm inclined to believe that they have seat belts. This would mean that the height requirement would probably not have to change. I know Al and others have mentioned the height change but they are the same people who said that we were getting lap bars (which I'm 99% sure we are not since lap bars would be visible in photos and seat belts have been spotted in the sleds). I wonder if the original sled design they had used lap bars but they scratched the idea and Al just missed that somewhere?
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    Re: Lap Bars or Seat Belts: The New Matterhorn Bobsleds Rorschach Test

    Quote Originally Posted by Belobog View Post
    Is DLR saying that the height requirement will not change? Here is DLR's response to a question from Aaron about the height requirement (source):

    Aaron's Question:

    There is some speculation on the ride height requirement changing for
    MATTERHORN once it is refurbed and reopened in June. Do [you] have any
    information on the height requirement changing
    and when the Disneyland
    Park website will be updated to reflect any changes? Thank you!

    DLR's Response:

    Thank you for your e-mail to the DISNEYLAND® Resort.

    You will be pleased to know that our height requirement will not change
    on our refurbished Matterhorn Bobsleds attraction. Again, thank you for
    taking the time to write. We hope you will have the opportunity to visit
    the DISNEYLAND® Resort soon and trust your visit will be pleasant in all
    regards.

    Sincerely,

    Linda Trump
    DISNEYLAND® Resort
    Guest Communications
    May 14, 2012
    The case may be that when Linda from Guest Communication looked it up, she saw this. Unchanged since the rehabs began and doesn't mention the new single rider line.

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