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    Re: The Happiest Places on Earth

    I also really want to see Disney Seas. It's something completely different that looks like it's really worth the trip. I don't know if this is true, but I heard the budget for Disney Seas was almost twice that of DCA. Anyone know about that?

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    Re: The Happiest Places on Earth

    The Modern Marvels special on WDW spoke of Walt Disneys "supposed" reasons for the second park. They said he wanted to accomplish what he should have done in Anaheim. Walt was disapointed in all the development that surrounded DL. Lots of adjacent tacky, trashy stuff trying to take advantage of the parks population draw. "Supposedly" he was bummed that he could not/did not purchase surrounding real estate. That is one reason he purchased such a huge chunk of property in secrecy in Florida. Another thing that "supposedly" Walt did not like, was that CM's collecting trash or traveling in costume from one area to another had to be in view of the guests. "Supposedly", Walt was shocked seeing CM's dressed for Frontierland walking through Tomorrowland, spoiling the themed atmosphere. Of course, Walt never said any of the thing's on camera that he "supposedly" said. Although, they are entirely possible and somewhat likely.

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    Re: The Happiest Places on Earth

    Another example of something I would like to see happen in order to have each location complement the others better is a re-imagining of the Matterhorn.

    The Yeti is not original to the attraction, and the legendary creature is associated with the Himalayas, not the Alps. So, now that Expedition: Everest is about to open, shouldn't Disneyland's Matterhorn be re-imagined with a new story and show?

    The Matterhorn used to be a significant point of differentiation for Disneyland, but the installation of the Animal Kingdom attraction now entails some adjustment on Disneyland's part.

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    Walt said, when originally describing his "Florida Project" on TV that it would start with it's own Disneyland, albiet larger. What Walt may not have said on camera, but certainly complained about to his Imagineers and Roy, were the breaches of show that he didn't think of at Disneyland (i.e. the Frontierland sheriff in Tomorrowland). He did state on camera, however, during the press conference announcing his land purchase in Florida, that he was disgusted at what people had to drive through to get to his Disneyland, and that he wanted enough land to do it right, to make sure that his show was preserved.

    When Walt died, nobody knew what to do. Roy took the lead to see out as much of his brother's dream as possible, starting with Walt's phase 1 of the Florida Project, which was an east coast Disneyland. So they built this Magic Kingdom with the lessons learned from Disneyland, and the benefits of a larger budget. They were NOT carbon copies however. A prime example is Pirates of the Carribean, at the time the decision was made NOT to include that attraction at Walt Disney World for several reasons: (A) Florida was IN the carribean, so why have a ride recreating it here? And, (B) EVERYONE knew Florida was just old people, and THEY didn't want water rides about pirates. However, a major guest complaint from opening day was that there were no POTC. So WDI rushed a Florida version with a reduced budget (after all, they did just finish building everything else there and had practically no money left). That's why WDW's POTC is about half as long as DL's. But it also shows that the guests to a Disney park expect Disney rides, namely the signiture attractions like the Railroad, Castle, POTC, Haunted Mansion, Small World, Space Mountain, Big Thunder Mountain, Riverboat, etc.

    So why was this design repeated in Tokyo, Paris, and Hong Kong? Why were these parks even built? Tokyo was the first overseas resort and was selected because it showed a booming economy, and people with a lot of disposable income in a high concentration. Disney products are also very well liked in Japan, and the greatest product the Disney company has is it's parks, namely the Magic Kingdom.

    Tokyo Disneyland is NOT a carbon copy of DL OR WDW's MK. Some very noticable differences are a covered World Bazaar to overcome Tokyo's climate. Also, it's not Main Street U.S.A. since Americans have an idea all ready of what America was like at the turn of the century, whereas the Japaneese do not. Also, there is much more open space at Tokyo Disneyland, since the city is so crowded, this would give guests there a repreive from the city. The other parks have their own differences to fit in with the culture of their location.

    The same thinking applies to every Magic Kingdom, it's a product. To sell this, or any product, one must be able to get it to the consumer. This is easy with everyday items, you stick it in a box and send it on it's merry way. This also ensures that every cosumer will get the SAME product, because that's what they ordered. When someone orders a blender, they don't want to recieve a box with a food processor. Sure, it's the same idea, it chops up food, but it's not what the consumer knows as a blender. The Magic Kingdom is a very well-known product, and when a new one is built (to get it to the consumer, since the consumer will not, or simply can not, come to the product), the consumer expects a number of things of it, including the same old attractions from every other Magic Kingdom.

    Compare Tokyo Disneyland Resort to the Hong Kong Disneyland Resort, two parks in relativly close proximity. Those two resorts offer VERY contrasting versions of the, essentialy same, product.

    If someone all ready lives within the range of one Magic Kingdom, then there is less reason to go to another, but it doesn't matter since the same company is all ready selling you this product. At the same time, most people don't go to different Magic Kingdoms to see how they changed a single ride, it's to see this different version of the entire show. It's the same play, but now it's a new script, a new cast, a new setting, but the same situations so it lends a familiarity to the audience. Even then, there are other differences, like second gates.

    At the same time there are differences, to entice people to travel to the different Magic Kingdoms to see what's new and different. In this case it's also to see how they changed their favorite ride. To keep every resort unique, you also see each resort getting different second gates. Even if two are similarly themed (D-MGM in Orlando and Walt Disney Studios in Paris), they offer two unique experiences.

    Even some rides are products, such as the Tower of Terror. Even then, it's varied from park to park.

    As for comparing Everest and the Matterhorn? There is no comparison. The Matterhorn is the world's first steel coaster, is comprised of a series of sharp turns at (realativly) low speeds, a splashdown ending, trains made to resemble bobsleds (and to give you an excuse to get closer to that special someone ), is set in the Magic Kingdom where you travel therough a scale replica of THE Matterhorn.

    Everest, on the other hand, goes forwards and backwards on a trip through Mt. Everest, in Asia of Animal Kingodm, where realism is often held in higher regards to fantasy. It features high speeds, steep drops, long trains made to resemble plantation trains. Yes, it features a yeti, But the Matterhorn yeti is like a teddy bear compared to this yeti. The Matterhorn and EE are two VERY different attractions, each with their own pros and cons. Disneyland can still use The Matterhorn to set it apart from other Disney parks, because Disneyland is till the only Magic Kingdom with this particular mountain.

    Yes, all the Magic Kingdoms are similar. It doesn't necessarily mean that there's a lack of creativity in the company. Just because there is more than one doesn't mean that the market is now flooded with Magic Kingdom. It's all about giving people a product that can only handle so many people, and is in a fixed location.

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    Why spend a hundred million dollars on one attraction, such as "The Twilight Zone" and, then, turn right around and spend another ninety million dollars on another virtually identical attraction?

    Why not spend a hundred million dollars on Indiana Jones Adventure and, then, spend ninety million on Countdown to Extinction where the story and show are entirely different?

    The lack of differentiation among Disney's international travel destinations is creating many problems and several inefficiencies, including: cannibalization; diminished life cycles for attractions; premature slowing of earnings growth; and, perhaps, most importantly, a lack of that one-of-a-kind quality that warrants people spending what little time they have for a vacation each year, getting on a plane and staying in a hotel.

    Disney makes so much more money from its vacationing guests than it does from residents of the Host Regions. And, among those vacationing guests, Disney strongly prefers international tourists. So, why is Disney as willing as it is to put a castle up on every street corner around the world or duplicate things like Soarin' over California at EPCOT or "The Twilight Zone" at D.C.A.?

    Disney has been failing with Paul Pressler's "Plant-the-Flag" and "lifting" strategies. And, yet, the company continues to follow them. Disney, instead, needs to develop new concepts that do not compete with its international travel business.

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    The only Disney resort that is really marketed for tourists is WDW. All the others are geared more for the local population. Disneyland Paris' original goal was to be a tourist destination, however this has NOT worked out and was a poor choice on Disney management. Even though, the park itself was designed with the local residents in mind.

    The Tower of Terrors are essentially the same attractions, but the parks are geared for the locals (except WDW). Even then, WDW has so many other reasons to plan a visit to Florida compared to the others.

    The fact is, traveling is expensive. Since theme parks are a luxery item, people are only going to travel so far to experience them. So instead of letting an audience just sit there telling you how much they want to go to WDW, why not bring a portion of it to them?

    Of course, the portion most recognizable (and marketable) is the Magic Kingdom, and they don't have to spend an arm and a leg just to get there! At the same time, it's a preview of what awaits in Orlando. Sure, Orlando has a Magic Kingdom, but they also have Epcot, Disney-MGM Studios, Disney's Animal Kingdom, two waterparks, Downtown Disney, and numerous golf courses. If my local Magic Kingdom is this good, the other stuff must be just as good! Then when they get to Florida, they go ride their favorites from their local Magic Kingdom to see how they compare.

    Yes, Disney did want each park to be it's own international tourist detination. However, the results of that haven't been outstanding because all of the resorts, outside of WDW, consist of a predominetly local audience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AEGuy42
    The fact is, traveling is expensive. Since theme parks are a luxery item, people are only going to travel so far to experience them. So instead of letting an audience just sit there telling you how much they want to go to WDW, why not bring a portion of it to them?
    I have the answer.

    It's the 60% profit margins at the hotels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PragmaticIdealist
    Disney additionally needs to better align the names of these destinations with each other. The following naming scheme seems most appropriate to me: "Disneyland Los Angeles"; "Disneyland Tokyo"; "Disneyland Paris"; "Disneyland Hong Kong"; and, "Walt Disney World".

    "Disneyland Los Angeles", in this conception, would describe the resort destination as a whole, while The Magic Kingdom of Disneyland would continue to be referred to as such. Creatively-speaking, the Host Regions are merely providing the locations of magical gateways that lead to another world. And, that world should be the same regardless of the respective Host Region. So, to express this concept, the following terminology makes the most sense: "The Magic Kingdoms of Disneyland".
    Just out of curiosity, is this suggestion not unlike the so bizarre & strategically marketed Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim? Or do you have a relocation plan in mind?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ALIASd
    Just out of curiosity, is this suggestion not unlike the so bizarre & strategically marketed Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim? Or do you have a relocation plan in mind?
    I don't think a relocation is in order.

    Disneyland Paris is located in Marne-la-Vallee, not Paris proper.

    Neither Tokyo Disneyland nor Hong Kong Disneyland are situated in their respective namesakes, either.

    Disneyland in California is located in the city of Anaheim, which is part of greater Los Angeles.

    Los Angeles is where Walt Disney built his business, and Disneyland was originally planned for a site just on the other side of Griffith Park.

    Before Disneyland, Anaheim was a bunch of orange groves, so I don't see a problem in associating the resort destination with the second largest city in the U.S.

    L.A. lies only 30 minutes to the North, after all.

    Besides, "Disneyland Anaheim" just doesn't have the same ring to it.
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    Let's not forget that airline travel is expensive, especially internationally.

    And why rename Disneyland? It's THE Disneyland, the original. It deserves to stand out because it is the first, and this was the only park Walt ever walked in.

    In your idea, why would Walt Disney World be renamed Disneyland Orlando? WDW is so unique that people still travel to it, even if they have a local Disneyland. Not just because it has a Magic Kingdom, but for everything else.

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    Re: The Happiest Places on Earth

    Quote Originally Posted by AEGuy42
    As for comparing Everest and the Matterhorn? There is no comparison. The Matterhorn is the world's first steel coaster, is comprised of a series of sharp turns at (realativly) low speeds, a splashdown ending, trains made to resemble bobsleds (and to give you an excuse to get closer to that special someone ), is set in the Magic Kingdom where you travel therough a scale replica of THE Matterhorn.

    Everest, on the other hand, goes forwards and backwards on a trip through Mt. Everest, in Asia of Animal Kingodm, where realism is often held in higher regards to fantasy. It features high speeds, steep drops, long trains made to resemble plantation trains. Yes, it features a yeti, But the Matterhorn yeti is like a teddy bear compared to this yeti. The Matterhorn and EE are two VERY different attractions, each with their own pros and cons. Disneyland can still use The Matterhorn to set it apart from other Disney parks, because Disneyland is till the only Magic Kingdom with this particular mountain.
    That's true. The only comparison that Matterhorn & Everest have is that they are both mountains and have monsters living in them. But even the monsters are different given the fact that the Matterhorn has the Abominable Snowman and Everest will have the Yeti.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AEGuy42
    Let's not forget that airline travel is expensive, especially internationally.

    And why rename Disneyland? It's THE Disneyland, the original. It deserves to stand out because it is the first, and this was the only park Walt ever walked in.

    In your idea, why would Walt Disney World be renamed Disneyland Orlando? WDW is so unique that people still travel to it, even if they have a local Disneyland. Not just because it has a Magic Kingdom, but for everything else.
    I am not wanting to rename The Magic Kingdom of Disneyland. Rather, "Disneyland Resort", in my opinion, should be changed to something akin to "Disneyland Los Angeles", referring to the entire resort destination, including the new park, the new hotels, and the entertainment center.

    Walt Disney World is so unlike the other travel destinations that its name works really well. The following is more of what I had in mind:

    THE DISNEY EMPIRE: The Happiest Places on Earth
    Disneyland Los Angeles
    Disneyland Tokyo
    Disneyland Paris
    Disneyland Hong Kong
    Walt Disney World

    Within the resort destinations, The Magic Kingdoms of Disneyland would continue being referred to as such. At Walt Disney World, for example, one could call The Magic Kingdom "The Magic Kingdom", "Disneyland", or "The Magic Kingdom of Disneyland". So, one could conceivably say "Disneyland, at Walt Disney World", for example.

    Essentially, each Host Region is merely the location of the portal that leads to the other world that Disneyland is. That world is a singular place irrespective of the number of ways one may enter it.

    The concept is a little abstract, but the internal logic of the fiction that Disneyland embodies necessitates this kind of configuration.
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    I also think that each resort destination should include representations of all the others.

    For example, Disneyland's Main Entry Plaza might present magical maps or models of: Walt Disney World; Tokyo Disneyland; Disneyland Paris; and, Hong Kong Disneyland. In this way, Disney could promote the other destinations at the exits and encourage guests to think more globally.

    Disney should, of course, emphasize the differences between and among these destinations.
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    If you are going to rename the disneyland resort to disneyland los angeles(which i personally think is a horrible name) then rename walt disney world to disneyland orlando so everyone knows exactly where it is. I think everyone will get the difference if you just leave the names as is because the international destinations are differentiated by the names of the cities they are close to and the north american parks have two completely different names as it is. but if you were to rename it i would rename it to the disneyland Resort, Anaheim.

    Since i edited this post i completely agree with the post below this one.
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    Re: The Happiest Places on Earth

    How about;
    Disneyland Resort
    Walt Disney World Resort
    Disneyland Resort Paris
    Tokyo Disney Resort
    Hong Kong Disneyland Resort.

    Your ideas are pointless - that isn't meant to be insulting, I love your imagination, its one thing lacking in this world at the moment (especially where it counts - WDI anyone?) but these names have stuck - Tokyo Disneyland just doesn't seem right as Disneyland Tokyo... and Disneyland Los Angeles? Eurgh. The connotations just do not seem right for a Disney park - example, EuroDisney.
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