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    Re: Third Park to be Marvel Theme?

    Okay, I'm just thinking out loud here.

    Disney's newest Marvel push is undoubtedly to the stratospheric success of the Avengers, a movie which I would consider the high point of a newly-formed superhero genre. I mean, let's face it. With multiple superhero films coming out a year now, it has effectively become its own genre.

    Let's look at the last time a big new genre hit Hollywood and took America by storm: the Westerns of the '50s and '60s. They were huge for a while - heck, for two decades - and even earned coveted placement in Disneyland in the form of Frontierland. Walt dramatically expanded Frontierland to capitalize on the public's interest in this new style of movie. Davy Crockett was the hottest character in the park and no kid under 10 would be caught in Disneyland without a coonskin hat on his head.

    And then it ended. Hollywood moved on, the Western wore itself out. The occasional modern Western (lookin' at you, Wild Wild West) no longer captivates America like the movies of old did. And Frontierland went from being Disneyland #1 destination to being that one land with the roller coaster, wedged between Fantasyland and New Orleans Square.

    Noticing a parallel here? Sure superhero movies are popular now... but how long can it last? Almost of the superhero films being made are adapted from characters that are decades old. Does anyone think Spiderman's 9th sequel, Iron Man's 7th sequel, or the 6th Avengers movie will still hold public interest like it does now?

    So what if in the 1950s, Disney had built an entire park dedicated to Western movies? You have Shane-land over here, High Noon-land over there, and be sure to stop by Magnificent Seven-land on the way out. I'm sure it would have been extremely popular... for a few years. But there's no way that such a park would have a following today without serious replacements on the order of an almost entirely new theme park.

    Disneyland played it smarter. The park toned down the emphasis on branded franchises, and chose not to focus on a single genre (as it could have so easily done with Westerns, or Fantasyland-style Disney movies). Instead, it featured lands representing multiple genres of fiction, so lands could swell, shrink, or be rethemed as genres went out of style.

    To sum it up, I think an entire park based on Marvel is a terribly short-sighted move. Even a new park in which 3 out of 6 themed lands were Marvel-themed would be vastly preferable, so the park would have some sort of protection from dating itself too quickly. I hope Disney has the foresight to make that decision.


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    Re: Third Park to be Marvel Theme?

    One thing that is important to remember is that even if a completely Marvel-themed park was built, it is most likely that they wouldn't create 'iron man land' and 'Spider-Man land' or whatever... Those superheroes would be incorporated into larger themed lands... I'm sure you would have a New York themed area and other lands that superhero stories take place in... Those areas aren't going to be limited to a superhero theme forever and will quite easily take on other attractions in the future.

    A comparison to an all-western park is a bit off - while westerns are often thematically similar, they also have similar locations... Superhero films are thematically similar but that doesn't mean that the settings will all be similar and would lend themselves to more diverse lands than maybe expected. I'm not as well-versed on Marvel as others are, but knowing how Marvel is run, I'm sure that a Marvel park would have variety and excitement.

    it would also be possible that other non-marvel properties would fit in this park. I'm sure there are many ideas for Incredibles attractions at WDI.

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    Re: Third Park to be Marvel Theme?

    Enhanced Amazing Adventures of Spider-Man on-ride HD POV Universal Studios Islands of Adventure - YouTube

    Need I say more? Marvel works as a theme. People need to accept that fact and move on.


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    Re: Third Park to be Marvel Theme?

    People that dont have a lot of knowledge of Marvel properties on the whole are completly missing this.

    They're making the comparisons that were made about Disneyland back in the day with Walt and his "Mickey Mouse" park.

    Did Disneyland only end up being character rides everywhere? No theme just Mickey Mouse here and Mickey Mouse there? No, it didnt.

    Marvel has so many properties to draw on, so many that no ones ever heard of outside of a comic book shop that could become just as timeless and exotic as Adventureland or Frontier land.

    To say that its simply going to be IronmanLand here and SpidermanLand there is complete ignorance.

    Disney of all people can do this right and asside from the characters themselves you might not know you're in a Marvel park, the same way you're in Disneyland but dont have Disney in your face everywhere.
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    Re: Third Park to be Marvel Theme?

    I don't know, doesn't Six Flags have the whole superhero-themed parks already going on?

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    Re: Third Park to be Marvel Theme?

    Quote Originally Posted by cadematthews View Post
    I don't know, doesn't Six Flags have the whole superhero-themed parks already going on?
    Six Flags only builds sublands and rollercoasters based on the DC characters, not Marvel. Completely different superhero "universe" they're working with. Although, Magic Mountain might have more of a superhero presence (especially with DC Universe), it won't be on the scale of Disney's potential theme park, assuming Disney does it well.
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    Re: Third Park to be Marvel Theme?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrsMonroe View Post
    im shocked at the lack of support for the marvel park
    You have not been here long...i was here back when Disney bough Marvel....many people were against this idea for years now

    I understand why ANYONE would be scared of a whole park based off one idea....a large land yes...a park no..even I a huge Marvel fan don't want to see 100 acres used only for one brand

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    Re: Third Park to be Marvel Theme?

    Quote Originally Posted by JerrodDRagon View Post
    You have not been here long...i was here back when Disney bough Marvel....many people were against this idea for years now

    I understand why ANYONE would be scared of a whole park based off one idea....a large land yes...a park no..even I a huge Marvel fan don't want to see 100 acres used only for one brand

    Really now? If people thought that way, now we wouldnt have a park based one one property or one man's idea called Disneyland.

    How would a Marvel-land be any different than that?
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    Re: Third Park to be Marvel Theme?

    Ok hereís my two cents on the matter.

    Iíve given it some thought and I think Iíve come around on the idea. Mavel is an old company and itís characters have grown and changed with the world around them, touching on many social issues (something I think walt would have admired). Itís characters have remained popular for years, recognized by young and old instantly much like Disney characters. All Marvel properties are highly marketable and versatile. If as it has been mentioned Disney approaches the design of the park as overall themes (IE: New York, X-Mansion, Secret Island, Asgard etc.) I think the park could be a massive success. Personally I think that it will depend greatly on how much faith is show in creating an immersive world, rather than a thrilling experience (as has been recently proven by Carsland). In regards to actual attractions, what I would be most interested to see is a new approach in technology and especially ride vehicles. I know that the tried and true is easier but new ideas for traversing these adventures would be awesome to see. I donít want to see another Indy or PotC just repackaged. With RSR Iím not hugely disappointed because I donít visit WDW often, but I would really like to see some new ideas here. Also I would love to see the characters of Marvel be introduced in the new highly detailed scientific way that recently has been shown in the live action films.

    Overall I think it would be smarter to introduce the park as an adventure or hero park, enabling Disney the option of adding other properties like the Incredibles but weíll see. This idea is in its infancy and weíll have a while before a projected is solidified much less greenlit.

    Superheroes tho are a huge part of American history and I love the idea of Disney bringing that to life in a park, because letís face it, itís never been done before. Slapping a billboard on a steel coaster doesnít count as theming. The closeting weíve come to seeing something like that is islands of adventure and if you ask anyone, Itís superhero colored coasters.

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    Re: Third Park to be Marvel Theme?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wren View Post
    Marvel has so many properties to draw on, so many that no ones ever heard of outside of a comic book shop that could become just as timeless and exotic as Adventureland or Frontier land.

    To say that its simply going to be IronmanLand here and SpidermanLand there is complete ignorance.
    Although I would want a broader theme for a 3 gate (I'm not against Marvel, just want more variety in this new park), I agree. Marvel has a rich history and resources to draw from and could produce a spectacular park. It doesn't have to be Spiderman land or Iron Man Land. But will Disney do something other than that? Will Disney build a 300 million dollar E-Ticket NOT based on a film franchise without merchandising in mind? It's been said time and time again that Disney is basically finished with making large scale original rides and now focuses on building attractions, at least the large E-Ticket types people crave, on well known franchise properties like a film series. And even then it has to have a merchandise angle. No one should forget that as great as Cars Land is, it was chosen for it's merchandise potential. If this Marvel Park is built, I do hope it explores more of the Marvel Universe than just the super heroes who appear in major movies in the summer of 2012.

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    Re: Third Park to be Marvel Theme?

    For a comparison I've given this some thought, so lets, instead of a comparing a Marvel park to our own original Disneyland, lets compare it to something its more inclined to be comparable to: Disneysea

    We can all agree that Disneysea is a masterpiece, but what we sometimes may overlook how that other properties that have shapped that land, and how I think they could go about making a Marvel park.

    I'll go over a couple of lands and draw some comparisons. Mermaid Lagoon, Mysterious Island, Arabian Coast, Lost River Delta and Discovery Bay are amazing lands on to themselves, but each one of them has an underlying backstory taken from either Disney or Disney affliated or referenced properties. Mermaid Lagoon and Arabian Coast are fairly obvious, Lost River Delta having obvious Indiana Jones influence, Mysterias Island the works of Jules Verne (20k Leagues under the Sea) and Discovery Bay is an aquatic refernece to Tomorrowland.

    I dont see many people lambasting these areas for their influence, because they're in most times subtle or done in such a way that it doesnt really matter, they're high quality areas full of imagination and love that they are amazing.

    This is how a Marvel park I think could draw its design from. The "lands" not based on a person, but a place in the Marvel universe that those "in the know' would instantly relate to, but those perhaps not so familiar with their backstory could still enjoy due to the theming of the area itself.

    A Marvel park done in the lines of Disneysea with the obvious yet subtle reference to the property of a specific (Character) or even broad (Location/team) topic could succeed, and still be popular with those who arent as familiar with the material.
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    Re: Third Park to be Marvel Theme?

    Quote Originally Posted by k_peek_2000 View Post
    Marvel works as a theme. People need to accept that fact and move on.
    Actually, no, people don't "need to accept" anything, much less "move on." Disney needs to make good on its $4 billion investment in Marvel. If they do it well, people will come and spend money. If they don't, people won't. Just that simple.
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    Re: Third Park to be Marvel Theme?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wiggins View Post
    Actually, no, people don't "need to accept" anything, much less "move on." Disney needs to make good on its $4 billion investment in Marvel. If they do it well, people will come and spend money. If they don't, people won't. Just that simple.

    $1.4 billion worldwide from one movie alone? Almost halfway on recouping that investment with just that one property. I think its a good indication they'll make back their investment
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    Re: Third Park to be Marvel Theme?

    ^ I was referring to Marvel in a Disney theme park.
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    Disney may have finally found the grail. You don't need
    imagination or art. All you need is a brand."

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    Re: Third Park to be Marvel Theme?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wren View Post
    Really now? If people thought that way, now we wouldnt have a park based one one property or one man's idea called Disneyland.

    How would a Marvel-land be any different than that?
    Did this in another threat but again...


    Marvel....all Super's......Disneyland made up of Pirates....Cowboys..Space men..Ghost..Princesses...animals....cartoons..etc

    Marvel is a very good idea for a big land with more then 7 rides...but a whole park? Over 30 attractions based solely on Marvel products? To me thats so boring..what could not come up with 3 other lands with different themes...story's....location had to all be super hero's?

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