With Finding Nemo 2 announced, Are the Subs safe?

[JerrodDRagon]

Speak for yourself, sir.

---------- Post added 07-25-2012 at 02:29 PM ----------

That was my biggest disappointment when I road Nemo Subs for the first time.

I think if you have a poll....most people just want an updated version of the Subs...its only ties are to adventure not to a single movie..or idea....just an adventure through liquid space

[danyoung]

A significant portion of the WDW fan-base thinks that if you simply throw the Disney name on a half-baked product then it is the greatest thing ever done.

I think this is just a ridiculous statement. WDW fans are just as discerning as DL fans or people anywhere. People in WDW flocked to Soarin', but have stayed away from the lame new Journey Into Your Imagination in droves. If there's a bad attraction in WDW, people just ignore it and go on with their vacation enjoying all the other stuff the place has to offer.

[darkamor]

I think Tomorrowland as a whole needs a retro mid century modern make over, because I have never been a huge fan of that steampunk 1998 make over (talk about fugly!); even though I <3 Space Mountain, Star Tours, Monorail & the Autotopia ... the rest just lacks (in my opinion) compared to what we used to have - Skyway to Fantasyland, Submarine Voyage, Adventure Through Inner Space, PeopleMover, Rocket Jets, Mission to Mars (it sure seemed like we had more to do in Tomorrowland before 1997) ...

I don't mind the innovations of Buzz Lightyear Astro Blasters & Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage; I just don't think these Rides belong in Tomorrowland (I think they would've been better suited for DCA where most of Pixar is already featured). Tomorowland needs some "oomph" & it needs this sooner (not later). Captain Eo was a nice way to cash-in on Micheal Jackson, but now it's time for a new Attraction (or Ride) ....

CJ

[calsig31]

I don't mind the innovations of Buzz Lightyear Astro Blasters & Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage; I just don't think these Rides belong in Tomorrowland (I think they would've been better suited for DCA where most of Pixar is already featured).

They don't belong in CA Adventure, either. Neither of these rides scream California.

[darkamor]

They don't belong in CA Adventure, either. Neither of these rides scream California.

Well, Team Anaheim doesn't mind keeping DCA about 1/3 themed to Pixar via Rides & Attractions (& the strategy is working) ... since neither Buzz Lightyear Astro Blasters & Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage offers a "future vision of tomorrow", I think they would've complimented Monsters, Inc (in fact? remove Bugs Land & move both Buzz Lightyear Astro Blasters & Finding Nemo (not as a Submarine Voyage) over to that area & it would be an improvement) ...

Tomorrowland is my least favorite area (it used to be one of my favorites), however the last few times I went to Disneyland it felt like a shadow of its former self (am I the only one who misses the PeopleMover? Or thought that some sort of TRON experience would improve the area?) ...

C J

[phantasmic]

they should just re-theme Tomorrowland to a post-apocalyptic, barren wasteland overrun by zombies, since that's what's in style nowadays

[darkamor]

they should just re-theme Tomorrowland to a post-apocalyptic, barren wasteland overrun by zombies, since that's what's in style nowadays

Well, that would work for a temporary October theme - I mean, it would compliment Space Mountain's Ghost Galaxy ...

... but, Tomorrowland for me? It feels like they're missing certain things that were appealing (ie a retro look at how we thought the future would be, science & technology featured cleverly into an Attraction or Ride - "educational rides"?) by caving into too many pop culture trends (especially if its a ride that exits into a Store which shills out merchandise for kids) ...

C J

[calsig31]

since neither Buzz Lightyear Astro Blasters & Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage offers a "future vision of tomorrow",

If Buzz was based on the actual space ranger rather than the toy, it would have fit much better.

However, while the the subs are now basically just a babysitter for kids to watch a video that they can put in their DVD players and watch at home whenever they want, the idea behind the ride is still very futuristic and well suited to Tomorrowland. True submarines do exist in today's world, but the idea of the average tourist jumping on a nuclear powered submarine for a casual day of tourism under the depths of the ocean is not here yet. The days when it will be affordable to the general public is even further away. Therefore, the subs kiddie video and all still does represent a "future vision of tomorrow".

I think they would've complimented Monsters, Inc (in fact? remove Bugs Land & move both

I still don't think that moving something from an area where it is deemed to be out of theme to another area where it is equally out of theme would make much sense.

Yes, Nemo and Buzz are Disney*Pixar, but I feel that just because there are other properties like that in the park does not mean that they fit. Additionally, because Monsters Inc and Bugs Land may not fit in with the CA theme (although the bugs were loosely tied in with the farm area when the park opened and expanded to Bugs Land) it is no excuse for additional out of theme attractions. Lately, with the new additions to the park, it looks like Disney is trying to keep with the CA theme and correct past mistakes. Whether they follow the current trend or not remains to be seen, but since they are taking steps in the right direction, I feel moving things for the sake of moving them regardless of theme would be a step backward.

[chesirecat]

. . . the idea behind the ride is still very futuristic and well suited to Tomorrowland.

Are the Nemo subs even still technically in Tomorrowland?

Just asking because I haven't gotten the free map in a while, and some stuff online shows the Nemo loading area pink, for Fantasyland. The 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea sub ride in the Magic Kingdom in Orlando was in Fantasyland.

---------- Post added 07-30-2012 at 08:13 PM ----------

True submarines do exist in today's world, but the idea of the average tourist jumping on a nuclear powered submarine for a casual day of tourism under the depths of the ocean is not here yet. The days when it will be affordable to the general public is even further away.

Additionally, because Monsters Inc and Bugs Land may not fit in with the CA theme (although the bugs were loosely tied in with the farm area when the park opened and expanded to Bugs Land) it is no excuse for additional out of theme attractions. Lately, with the new additions to the park, it looks like Disney is trying to keep with the CA theme and correct past mistakes.

With regards to the "California" theme of DCA, Michael Eisner came up with DCA's theme to keep guests on property and from visiting what the rest of the state was supposedly offering which was drawing them away, namely:

1. Bare bones roller coaster rides. Check it off, Screamin'.
2. Frisco. Check it off, as Golden Gate was added, then removed, then Ghirardeli
3. Northern California with pines, Check it off, white water rafting/Knotts ride, check it off.
4. Run-down pier side amusement park, check it off.
5. "Hollywood" check it off.
6. Cheap tourist shops, Sunshine Plaza, check it off.

The California theme failed miserably, though perhaps most due to budget issues, nonetheless, using the state of California as a theme for a whole park is horrible restrictive and boring, IMHO. Radiator Springs, in the movie Cars at the end of the film, is located in Arizona, there is a map which shows it is located in Arizona, and much of the old Route 66 eateries and characters are from Arizona and Texas. You'll see this if you study up on the making of Cars and who the characters are based on in real life.

Yes, some of the car culture and elements of Route 66 are also seen in California, and perhaps one small town in western California was used for inspiration (out of probably over half a dozen, mostly in Arizona), but Ornament Valley and around 70% of Radiator Springs from the film is based on small towns in Arizona, Ornament Valley was inspired by Monument Valley, and even locations in Utah. Small towns in Texas and Oaklahoma come into play too, I would guess that actual locations in California inspired about 5% of the film Cars. Muscle car culture and Route 66 was everywhere back then.

So I sincerely hope that the whole California theme is dropped. Bugsland and Monsters Inc., I guess you could say that because they are movies they have a connection to California, i.e. Hollywood . . . but all of this is stretching the California theme.

To quote Wiki,

Lasseter told film critic Joe Williams of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch that much of the story is based on the recollections of barber Angel Delgadillo in the Route 66 town of Seligman, Arizona, where business withered soon after the opening of I-40.

The epilogue shows a map of the area of Arizona around Radiator Springs, including car-related place names such as "Carburetor County" and "Cadillac Range".

[danyoung]

...while the the subs are now basically just a babysitter for kids to watch a video that they can put in their DVD players and watch at home whenever they want...

Sorry, but I just don't buy this. Just because the attraction is film based instead of AA based doesn't mean it's not cool within the water environment. I always enjoyed the old subs, but I enjoy them much more now, with so much fun stuff to look at. I think they did a terrific job on them, film based on not.

[chesirecat]

Sorry, but I just don't buy this. Just because the attraction is film based instead of AA based doesn't mean it's not cool within the water environment. I always enjoyed the old subs, but I enjoy them much more now, with so much fun stuff to look at. I think they did a terrific job on them, film based on not.

I like the new subs too, and I got the best of both worlds as I can clearly remember the old subs. I never really bought the concept that we were diving below the ocean, but it was fun from a make-believe standpoint, I like the lighter spiel for the new subs ride which is sort of from the point of view of a tourist operation.

The problem is that the angler fish animatronics (I think) are often broken, though they do have the scuba diving animatronics, and some of the older stuff.

I think that the ride could be vastly improved if they took out the portholes, and put in a long plexiglass window. This would be easier to clean as well, but would afford more eye-popping views of the underwater stuff.

Star Tours is basically a big "screen", but thoughtfully mixed with animatronics and a cool environment. Nemo is similar, they could always add stuff too. The first time I rode Nemo I did a little jaw-dropping regarding the clever use of screens, which you can't really see as they are more projections than typical flat screens you see at Best Buy.

From a first time visitors perspective, I think most newbie guests would be blown away by Nemo, thinking that Disney built a whole submarine ride just so you feel that you're actually going to see Nemo, unlike a mediocre ride like Mermaid which is clearly very landlocked.

[JerrodDRagon]

Sorry, but I just don't buy this. Just because the attraction is film based instead of AA based doesn't mean it's not cool within the water environment. I always enjoyed the old subs, but I enjoy them much more now, with so much fun stuff to look at. I think they did a terrific job on them, film based on not.

Screens can be used for good...but Nemo is retelling a story and while may rides in Fantasyland do that too.....many make it feel "unique" and many people respect handdrawn/hand made things over someone making something on a PC

Also what hurts it is the subs since the lines get so long....it makes it a ride I never go on since I don't want to wait 40-60 mins for Nemo...while over at Epcot the living sea's ride is a 5-20 min wait....its also a shorter ride and has REAL fish

To me I'd say as cool as the Subs are they are also limiting tech and if all they are going to do is retell a movie i can see on DVD...I'm just not going to wait...

[danyoung]

I just don't know why anyone would say that the Nemo subs are only telling a story that anyone can see on DVD. Well, Pan does that. Snow White's Scary Adventures does that. Heck, even Indy does that, if you really wanna stretch things. I like the uniqueness of the whole package - getting on a "real" sub, enjoying looking out at the stuff underwater, and then adding in the Nemo characters to the story. And it's not really fair to compare the lines to DL's Nemo and Epcot's version, where there's an omni-mover system to suck up the crowds. Even with that difference, I just rode the Nemo subs with less than a 5 minute wait on an otherwise busy morning. It's like every other ride with a long line - get there early.

[chesirecat]

Screens can be used for good...but Nemo is retelling a story and while may rides in Fantasyland do that too.....many make it feel "unique" and many people respect handdrawn/hand made things over someone making something on a PC

Also what hurts it is the subs since the lines get so long....it makes it a ride I never go on since I don't want to wait 40-60 mins for Nemo...while over at Epcot the living sea's ride is a 5-20 min wait....its also a shorter ride and has REAL fish

To me I'd say as cool as the Subs are they are also limiting tech and if all they are going to do is retell a movie i can see on DVD...I'm just not going to wait...

I would respond by saying:

1. The Imagineers got new footage from Pixar for the ride, I believe that the major actors from the film recorded new lines of dialogue, just like how Katherine Beaumont ride did new lines for the Peter Pan ride and Alice. From an article with linke posted below,

"In addition, our composer, Ed Kalnins, created a musical score that was inspired by the Thomas Newman score used in the film. Several of the actors who voiced the characters in the film provided the voices for the attraction."

2. The movie, Finding Nemo, looked great to me, and the ride needed to look the same, you couldn't have hand-drawn or even little plastic Nemos, they wouldn't move as fast and everybody would scoff how they didn't look like Nemo.

3. The ride sort of broke new ground in the use of projection technology, which to my eyes looks a whole lot better than the Best Buy screens which are used in Mermaid. You can't even see the screens, and the first time I saw the effect I was wowed. First time visitors will think this is cool even if they have been on Star Tours and other screen heavy rides. Projection technology, such as on the singing ghost busts in Haunted Mansion and Leota have been used for a long time, nobody rolls their eyes and complains "Oh geez . . . Leota ain't nothing but another screen".

4. There used to be "onboard effects" for Nemo, forgot what they were, but the attraction could use a refurb for sure. Fix the Angler fish, fix the onboard effects, and introduce new tech to obviate the need of projector bulbs.

5. There is plenty of hand-crafted stuff to look at. New underwater scenes, the "Mine! Mine!" birds, the scuba divers, the angler fish . . . and on and on.

6. Guests are getting sentimentally attached to Nemo, and plenty of us would be sad to see it go. Finding Nemo 2 is coming out, maybe after the film they can add new stuff to the ride to keep it fresh, perhaps even incorporating new technology.

7. The ride hasn't had a major refurb for probably five years, why?, because guests love this ride and will wait 40 minutes to ride it. A lot of little kids would be crushed if they couldn't see Nemo. I doubt such a popular ride will be shuttered, the 40 minute queue soaks up a lot of the crowd and most people in line think it is worth the wait.

[JerrodDRagon]

I would respond by saying:

1. The Imagineers got new footage from Pixar for the ride, I believe that the major actors from the film recorded new lines of dialogue, just like how Katherine Beaumont ride did new lines for the Peter Pan ride and Alice. From an article with linke posted below,

"In addition, our composer, Ed Kalnins, created a musical score that was inspired by the Thomas Newman score used in the film. Several of the actors who voiced the characters in the film provided the voices for the attraction."

2. The movie, Finding Nemo, looked great to me, and the ride needed to look the same, you couldn't have hand-drawn or even little plastic Nemos, they wouldn't move as fast and everybody would scoff how they didn't look like Nemo.

3. The ride sort of broke new ground in the use of projection technology, which to my eyes looks a whole lot better than the Best Buy screens which are used in Mermaid. You can't even see the screens, and the first time I saw the effect I was wowed. First time visitors will think this is cool even if they have been on Star Tours and other screen heavy rides. Projection technology, such as on the singing ghost busts in Haunted Mansion and Leota have been used for a long time, nobody rolls their eyes and complains "Oh geez . . . Leota ain't nothing but another screen".

4. There used to be "onboard effects" for Nemo, forgot what they were, but the attraction could use a refurb for sure. Fix the Angler fish, fix the onboard effects, and introduce new tech to obviate the need of projector bulbs.

5. There is plenty of hand-crafted stuff to look at. New underwater scenes, the "Mine! Mine!" birds, the scuba divers, the angler fish . . . and on and on.

6. Guests are getting sentimentally attached to Nemo, and plenty of us would be sad to see it go. Finding Nemo 2 is coming out, maybe after the film they can add new stuff to the ride to keep it fresh, perhaps even incorporating new technology.

7. The ride hasn't had a major refurb for probably five years, why?, because guests love this ride and will wait 40 minutes to ride it. A lot of little kids would be crushed if they couldn't see Nemo. I doubt such a popular ride will be shuttered, the 40 minute queue soaks up a lot of the crowd and most people in line think it is worth the wait.

Mermaid was built from the ground up...yeah they have what 3 screens? But the ride is more about riding the movie...the watching it

40 mins is a good wait time...yet Pan gets the same numbers and its 57 years old....once again Nemo's line would go down if it used a system like Mermaid where 2,000 people an hour could ride it...were I think now its under 1,200 (if not lower)

The ride is....ok but Tech is not what makes something amazing...it can enhance the exsperiance but it's how you use the tech.

Look at Pirates it's not just the tech that makes the ride...it's everything about it...it's just amazing because of how real things feel.....the town is not computer generated its a REAL little town.

I think the Subs should stay for now...but if they go...I'll just miss the old ones not these one and if it happens it will prove that it was poplar but not a classic because it was gone in less then ten years