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    Re: Lincoln makes way for Disney movies

    Quote Originally Posted by CSei2011 View Post
    .. well if AP's come for the movies that are special just for them... they count as a person entering the park right? So maybe this is part ploy to keep their numbers up during the fall by getting AP's that probably would've come any ways, to for sure come and keep the counts high...?? Maybe I'm in crazy town I dunno...
    Is that anywhere near Funkytown?.....

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    I'd be sad if Lincoln "left the building"........

    So many memories of my Grandfather & I....... I've posted before about my visits to DL w/ my Grandfather...... the only rules were....... "we ride the DLRR completely around the MK" and "then we visit GMWML"....... after that, I was free to choose anything we would do together.......

    As a future history teacher, I too lament the loss of perspective on what is cool versus what is meaningful. Sadly, what is meaningful and even "uplifting" about "Mr. Lincoln" is being shunted aside to the clicking sound of attendance....... even though I understand the need for DL to maximize it's real estate.....

    It makes me sad, because it's a sad reflection on our society, that discards it's past for whatever Kim Kardashian is doing these days.............
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    Re: Lincoln makes way for Disney movies

    I was thinking the same thing about spending time in the park watching a movie. I have a feeling that most of the people that would sit and watch an entire feature would most likely have an AP and be a local. I live out of the area and time in the park is precious to me. I wouldn't necessarily sit through a whole movie but I might want to see whats being shown on the big screen cause you don't see Disney that big everyday especially located on main street USA. This is also an option for those people that are waiting for their groups to get off rides or in the case of RSR a consistent two hour queue. But IMHO it'd take away from the time in the park. I'm not making new memories by sitting there and watching a movie I've seen before.

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    Re: Lincoln makes way for Disney movies

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    I know I am a part of that entrenched minority that considers Mr. Lincoln to be a crown jewel. The attraction is one of a very few that still bears the marks of Walt Disney's fingerprints in a deep, profound way. Disneyland is not supposed to be a museum - true. But of the attractions from Walt's era that are in danger of disappearing, losing this one is tantamount to tearing out Walt's apartment to make way for VIP parade viewing... after all, Disneyland isn't a museum, so if the second floor of the fire station can be used for a more popular (and lucrative) purpose than sporadic tours reserved by fanboys with deep pockets, why not?

    The flagpole in Town Square bears a plaque containing Walt Disney's dedication of Disneyland, and the core of the dedication states that "Disneyland is dedicated to the ideals, the dreams, and the hard facts that have created America with the hope that it will be a source of joy an inspiration to all the world." I understand that having a park wholly dedicated to the purpose to which the dedication plaque refers would be nothing more than Colonial Williamsburg, and the park never has and never can wholly dedicate itself to that one purpose (Walt's original intent was not to wholly do so, but he honored the American idea in many ways in many attractions) but in recent decades we have seen a full-scale retreat from this; the founder's stated dedication. Disney has become a global brand - a stakeholder in globalization as much as any other company. But it must not be forgotten where its roots lie, and in the philosophy of the man who established it.

    Mr. Lincoln is a comparatively small reminder of the man who created this park; he idolized Abraham Lincoln as evidenced by his boyhood skits and hijinks with Walt Pfifer, he possessed a profound, if seemingly naive (though I don't think so), faith in the American Dream and the American Experience, and he filled his park with tributes to Americana. Those tributes are fast disappearing to make way for more popular, modern elements that are apt to generate more instant guest recognition. The Rivers of America's attractions (excepting Pirates Lair, which overshadowed a piece of Americana that we all grew up with), the immersive environments of Main Street New Orleans Square (and these are environments... not attractions... so are only indirectly celebrating it if at all) and the Grand Canyon Diorama are the sole elements that celebrate the ideas and dreams and hard facts that created America to any extent. Mr. Lincoln was the only attraction left in this park that celebrated and eloquently articulated the American idea in Lincoln's speech. It was the only one that fully celebrated the American dream. It was the only one that admitted the hard facts of the American experience. And it was the only one where, though enhanced and revised, the entire script and show bore the unsullied fingerprints of the man who built this park.

    I get the same feeling in Mr. Lincoln I get when I enter Club 33 or enter Walt's suite. It is something that he approved, he designed, and (excepting Club 33) he walked and dwelt in. Losing this attraction to make way for something "entertaining" speaks volumes not only of changes within the Walt Disney Company itself, but also in the sensibilities of Disneyland guests. Losing this attraction, for me, is losing not just one more shred of the Walt-ness of Disneyland, but also losing a little more faith in the American people who patronize this park. You can say what you want about the American Adventure and Hall of Presidents being more extravagant, but let's not hide the fact that THESE shows are empty compared to just about any other show on the whole WDW resort. The tastes of the American people have changed and I think we've lost a sense and respect for who we are. That may be the media's fault, our school system's fault, our parent's fault... who knows.

    Perhaps Lincoln is doomed to die. Pity. We need that speech now more than ever.
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    Re: Lincoln makes way for Disney movies

    It seems that many people think they are one of few who love Lincoln and want it to stay... well your wrong. There is a lot of people who love it and like others it's still amazing to me. Truthfully what else would they put in there... a store, movie theater... the main street expansion idea sounds nice but that is not coming anytime soon. Keep it

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    Re: Lincoln makes way for Disney movies

    Mr. Lincoln needs to stay and, contrary to incorrect information printed earlier in this thread, it has the most advanced Audio-Animatronic human face in the park. New tech.

    Mr. Lincoln, The Tiki Room, the Main Street Cinema still showing movies: these are just some of things that still make this "Walt's park" and differentiate from almost every other Magic Kingdom style park anywhere else.
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    Re: Lincoln makes way for Disney movies

    To capture a wider audience, they may just do a seasonal overlay in the fall, "Great Moments With Mr. Lincoln: Vampire Hunter."
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    Re: Lincoln makes way for Disney movies

    What makes me curious is why TDA feels that they "need" to draw more people into the Lincoln theater. Sure, it may not be the busiest of attractions, and I'm sure they don't like to see attractions go unnoticed or unattended. But what is the benefit of showing an occasional movie in there? If it's to help shuffle the park's traffic, then that's one thing. But otherwise, why?

    Either way, I don't think Mr. Lincoln will be going anywhere. It's only been back for a few years, and I can't imagine that it takes a lot of money to maintain or operate it. They already lower the film screen for portions of the show. If they show movies in there, all it means is that the screen will be lowered and they'll project films on it. In and of itself, that's probably not very expensive for them to do either.

    Someone said that people don't go to Disneyland for history lessons. That may be so, but much of the park is built upon history; be it the history of the frontier, New Orleans, the jungles, or Disneyland itself as a 57 year old park. If people aren't going to the park for the reasons they did in the '50s or '60s, then you can put part of the blame on societal changes. After all, Disney is a company and the park needs to evolve to make money. However, Disney itself is also partly responsible for this. Rather than tying their new movies into franchises and trying to make rides that offer more of a thrill factor than anything else, they could have been investing at least some of their newer attractions into original, intelligent concepts that actually require you to use your brain without the necessary force-feeding.
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    Re: Lincoln makes way for Disney movies

    I was asking that question myself, why would they want people in the theater (DON'T KILL ME I LOVE THE SHOW AND ALL OTHER DISNEY AMERICAN HISTORY SHOWS)!!! Its a relatively small show with just a single (abeit cutting edge animatronic) and a movie screen. This situation harkens back to the removal of Center St. in WDW's Main Street why does some thing have to be an absolute draw?

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    Re: Lincoln makes way for Disney movies

    I love the Lincoln show! It might be Disney's best and most cutting edge AA right now! The show is just epic, it really feels like Lincoln himself is there. You just don't get that feeling anywhere else. I'll be deeply sadden if it get replaced by a movie screen. Yeah I don't go there frequently like I do for Space Mountain but the show is still something special. Not every attraction has to be full for pete's sakes.

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    Re: Lincoln makes way for Disney movies

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    I love the Lincoln show! It might be Disney's best and most cutting edge AA right now! The show is just epic, it really feels like Lincoln himself is there. You just don't get that feeling anywhere else. I'll be deeply sadden if it get replaced by a movie screen. Yeah I don't go there frequently like I do for Space Mountain but the show is still something special. Not every attraction has to be full for pete's sakes.
    My thoughts exactly.

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    Re: Lincoln makes way for Disney movies

    I believe they show movies in the theater already for special events. I would think they will follow this format. If they can run Lincoln in the day time and something else at night I would be ok with it. I have always felt they should show the animated classics in the park but just show them weekly and change them out starting with Snow White and work up to Tangled and then start over again.

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    Re: Lincoln makes way for Disney movies

    Al's note clearly said this will be an AP only thing, and only on select nights during the fall. Now, while I'm the first one to agree that Disney looks for any excuse to pull something unpopular in favor of a brand push, I don't think they're getting ready to gut the building just yet.

    As always, if you're really worried, vote w/ your wallet. Get your arse in there and see Lincoln. Often.
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    Re: Lincoln makes way for Disney movies

    when I read the title of the thread I thought they were going to recreate the original Fantasyland Theater. I remember going there to watch the movies and cartoons when our tickets ran out. it was also a good place to go and rest out of the heat.

    when they have cast member shows at the theater, do they allow food and drinks?

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    Re: Lincoln makes way for Disney movies

    I think Lincoln is a great show and attend regularly, hope it never goes away, but there's nothing wrong with some Walt Disney classics screening in the theatre certain evenings, a practice that has a long history in the Opera House, from cast members to movie clubs. That said, here are the shows I'd like most to see screened on the big screen at the moment (film prints preferably):

    Song of the South
    Pollyanna
    The Parent Trap
    The Three Lives of Thomasina
    Dr. Syn, Alias the Scarecrow
    Babes in Toyland
    The Prince and the Pauper (live-action)
    Escapade in Florence
    Sammy, the Way-Out Seal
    Johnny Shiloh
    Johnny Tremain
    Moseby's Marauders (Willie and the Yank)
    Summer Magic
    The Moon-Spinners
    Melody Time
    Ichabod and Mr. Toad
    That Darn Cat!
    The Sign of Zorro
    Third Man on the Mountain
    Darby O'Gill and the Little People
    Swiss Family Robinson
    Sleeping Beauty
    Peter Pan

    a Ludwig VonDrake "Wonderful World of Color" Marathon

    and especially...

    Disneyland Showtime!

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    Re: Lincoln makes way for Disney movies

    Quote Originally Posted by Broadway Guru View Post
    Al's note clearly said this will be an AP only thing, and only on select nights during the fall. Now, while I'm the first one to agree that Disney looks for any excuse to pull something unpopular in favor of a brand push, I don't think they're getting ready to gut the building just yet.

    As always, if you're really worried, vote w/ your wallet. Get your arse in there and see Lincoln. Often.
    This. Everyone needs to stop talking so fondly and get themselves and all their friends into that opera house!!!! Show them how much you want it to stay. Breathe new life into that attraction and go at least once a visit if not more. Everyone loves lincoln. Now its time to show how much we love it and support it!
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