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About LinkBacksUnless you realize... the Club was never really meant to be a business...Originally Posted by toonaspie
Trying to make it into a business is what is killing it.
Unless you realize... the Club was never really meant to be a business...
Trying to make it into a business is what is killing it.
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What's with this attitude of "I'd never spend that kind of money just to have a meal, so no one else should, either?"
love how this comes up every time the mention of the money being spent to be a member of the Club could be better spent on something else. thats a thread theats been done to death and dumped in the litterbox. The point of this thread is, like it or not, members paid a pile of money to be part of something they felt was exclusive and unique, and for years it was, but now the fine folks at Disney see it as a profit center and want to turn it into a glorified Blue Bayou rich in Disney history. Now regardless of your opinion about spending tons of money, if you were a member wouldnt you be upset that Disney is throwing the doors open to non members? the only answer can be YES!
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That "attitude" sounds a lot like sour grapes.What's with this attitude of "I'd never spend that kind of money just to have a meal, so no one else should, either?"
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Ok kids... we've had plenty of discussions in other places about the people who are members and what they should or should not do with their money... and we all know where those conversations ended up.
So, lets NOT make this PERSONAL and target the members, but discuss the issue at hand, which is that Disney is not making opportunities (abet still pricey ones) for non members to be able to experience the club.
I'm not sure if the people who keep saying that when they go it's dead in there, but every time I go anywhere from half to all of the tables have been full, and there have been times I've tried to go and it has been booked. So I feel like it can't be suffering that much.
With the VIP tours, people still have to pay park admission, the $1800 for the tour guide, the price of dinner at the club (I'm assuming that with the new changes and the way this would work, they would not get the free entry into the park for eating at the club), and tips for dinner and for their tour guide... I doubt many people will be taking advantage of this, so I guess it doesn't bother me too much.
And nevermind your $1800/6hr tour time clock is ticking the whole time dining in C33. Makes for a pretty pricey 3star meal. At those rates, I doubt there'll be a huge crowd rushing the doors.
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I don't know... if they can get people to fork over $5000 (or whatever it is this year) for sorcerer's level tickets to the D23 Expo, they can probably find a lot of people to pay that for a chance to eat at Club 33. At least for a while anyway.
just remember, the Club wouldn't exist if the market wasn't there to support it. The fact that Disney made a fairly obvious money grab shows just how much they believe people will pay to experience the Club. Of the times that I've been up there I was always more interested in the antiques.
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It is $275 an hour, $295 if less than 48 hours notice given. The guide is your "fastpass" for the rides, there are about a dozen additional rides they can expedite the wait (such as Toy Story.)
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When you sell an exclusive membership as exclusive, this is a slap in the face rather soon after they changed the perks. Shame on you Club 33....again.
I'm glad I got to at least stand at the bottom of the stairs back when you did have to know a member to be able to book dining engagements
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Up stairs is even better!
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The business model that Disney is using for Club 33 now is not very different than how many for-profit private clubs have operated for years. For example, Riviera Country Club (where the Los Angeles PGA Tour event is held every year) sells "private" memberships for hundreds of thousands of dollars each (plus sizeable dues/minimum food obligations), but the club is neither owned nor controlled by the paying members. The owner does sell the right to play golf at the "private" club to nonmembers (usually groups or charities holding tournaments) and the members don't generally feel that they have been ripped off because nonmembers can get occasional use of the "private" club. While I understand that some older Club 33 members may have expected that the exclusivity they previously enjoyed would continue, that expectation ignored the reality that this has always been a for-profit club owned and controlled by Disney and not by the members. The real question should be whether use of the private club by nonmembers has any appreciable impact on the enjoyment of the club by the paying members. At least so far, I don't believe that it has for Club 33 members. Club 33 members have the right to access club facilities and the right to participate in members only events held at the club in a manner that nonmembers do not have. For me, it is now much easier for members to get reservations and the 1901 Lounge has always been available whenever I wanted to drop in. Thus, I believe the benefits of membership are worth the price. For members who put a high value on the concept of complete exclusivity, they may not feel the same way and may elect not to renew (or potential new members may choose not to join). I do think that Disney should be up front with existing and potential new members about the fact that nonmembers may be given access to club facilitities.
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