Al Report: Iron Man E-Ticket Thril Ride to Replace Innoventions

[skratch addict]

"Fit in" for the average Joe, maybe. Fit in for fans of the park, less so. Looks like its just nerds vs nerds at the moment (and I mean that in a positive way).

[Buster Keaton]

And with bigger aisles.

You forgot about the Princesses, Peter Pan, Alice, Pooh, Tom Sawyer, Little Mermaid, Aladdin, etc, etc, etc, that they acquired/used through other means as well.

Really the complaints now sound the same as when Pixar was first purchased. Carsland turned out pretty good for most people. Lets expect the same for Iron Man.

Even more important is we get rid of Innoventions. My kids always want to go in, but then are always disappointed with its offerings.

In my thinking at least, I make a distinction between something being a "Disney property" or being classically Disney. The Peter Pan of J.M. Barrie and the Peter Pan of Walt Disney are two somewhat different creations. Disney took a property from literature and adapted it for their own purposes. In so doing, they created something that is definitely a Disney work. Now, I don't see that with either their Marvel or Muppets properties. To me at least, I really don't see anything different with pre or post Disney-aquisition Marvel or Muppets aside from the theme park presence. Would anyone think of the 1924 Paramount film version of Peter Pan as being "Disney"? Disney aquired the rights to that film version from Paramount in 1939 as they started work on the animated version (and the animators did look at the silent version quite a bit for reference). My point is that there is a difference between something being a Disney property (like Marvel, Muppets, and the 1924 Peter Pan) and something being a distinct Disney work (like Disney's adaptation of Peter Pan). Just my opinion. I'm sure there are some holes in it.
Now, while I'm not wild about the idea of an Iron Man attraction (I would prefer to see a non-movie based attraction too), I don't think it's the worse thing that could happen. I personally hope that the attraction has more of an emphasis on technology rather than heros vs. villains.

[mondo]

I see Iron Man as a character that uses technology to help the world to be a better and safer place and becomes a super hero by doing so.

We don't have any details on the ride yet so we don't know if it is going to focus on him fighting a villain and being a hero or if it is going to focus on a better living through technology. Or both. Hopefully it is technology and better living.

[Disneymike]

I see Iron Man as a character that uses technology to help the world to be a better and safer place and becomes a super hero by doing so.

We don't have any details on the ride yet so we don't know if it is going to focus on him fighting a villain and being a hero or if it is going to focus on a better living through technology. Or both. Hopefully it is technology and better living.

I hope so too, but in your gut do you really believe that is the path Disney will go with this? I don't.

[Mr Wiggins]

See, that's the thing that I have a problem with. Nobody is going to, or want's to know where the heck Tony Stark came from or what he's all about (except the comic fans). All they are going to care is that there is lots of explosions, loud music, and flashy visuals. Disney is not going to include the alcoholism, or a story line that shows the human side of him. It will all be flash and bang because thats what the public wants and that's my reasoning on why i feel he doesn't belong in Tomorrowland.

Bingo. Disneyland became world famous because the company that created it was dedicated to giving the public more than the public knew it wanted -- more than the public could even imagine -- instead of pandering to what was popular at the time. Today's Disney Corporation does just the opposite, using Disneyland as a marketing platform for whatever brand is currently hot and pre-proven to sell. Combined with mass marketed APs, it's a strategy that makes 'em oodles of money. For those customers who like spending their entertainment dollars on that kind of thing, Disney provides the perfect product.

[CCS]

There is no such word as "irregardless."

[Bronco21]

There is no such word as "irregardless."

"Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that “there is no such word.” There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead."

Irregardless - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Technically it is not the accepted term, but, like ain't, it is still technically a word.

[gatheringrosebuds]

Clean Energy? Futurisitc robotic exoskeletons? Artificial Intelligences? Much more relevant than a spaceman toy, a lost fish, gas powered automobiles, or Michael Jackson.

I am all for what I bolded above being put in to replace Innoventions, why can't it be done without the movie-tie in? Does everybody truly believe that that is what is going to happen? I don't. I see a hero/villain mash up, not something that explores and focuses on futuristic technology.

See, that's the thing that I have a problem with. Nobody is going to, or want's to know where the heck Tony Stark came from or what he's all about (except the comic fans). All they are going to care is that there is lots of explosions, loud music, and flashy visuals. Disney is not going to include the alcoholism, or a story line that shows the human side of him. It will all be flash and bang because that's what the public wants and that's my reasoning on why I feel he doesn't belong in Tomorrowland.

THIS. I think these two replies clearly explain why many of us have issues with an Iron Man attraction in Tomorrowland. It's not that we're not happy that Innovations is being replaced by something new-- we're apprehensive of the attraction that will be replacing it. Disney could surprise us all with a revolutionary ride that explores the possibilities of the future instead of dazzling audiences with, to quote Disneymike, "lots of explosions, loud music, and flash visuals". But until such an attraction is built, I have to remain apprehensive. It would be all to easy for Disney to create a ride that skimps on story and originality in favor for an attraction that's all "flash and bang".

[calsig31]

"Fit in" for the average Joe, maybe. Fit in for fans of the park, less so. Looks like its just nerds vs nerds at the moment (and I mean that in a positive way).

So you are accusing those of us who think Iron Man would fit into Tomorrowland of not being fans of the park?

[skratch addict]

Nope.

[LandOFHappiness]

Can't we all just be glad that innoventions will finally be gone

[TylerDurden]

See, that's the thing that I have a problem with. Nobody is going to, or want's to know where the heck Tony Stark came from or what he's all about (except the comic fans). All they are going to care is that there is lots of explosions, loud music, and flashy visuals. Disney is not going to include the alcoholism, or a story line that shows the human side of him. It will all be flash and bang because thats what the public wants and that's my reasoning on why i feel he doesn't belong in Tomorrowland.

I missed the part in Temple of the Forbidden Eye where Indy's character developments, including his agnostic religious views and womanizing habits, were explored. Was it before or after the flash and bang that is the whole ride?

[gatheringrosebuds]

I missed the part in Temple of the Forbidden Eye where Indy's character developments, including his agnostic religious views and womanizing habits, were explored. Was it before or after the flash and bang that is the whole ride?

I wouldn't say that the Temple of the Forbidden Eye is entirely "flash" and "bang". It has a solid story that the ride's "flash" and "bang" serve to enhance and create a spirit of adventure brilliantly fits into the land. Some purists would still disagree that Indy belongs in Disneyland, but in my opinion, the way it was executed beautifully compliments Adventureland. If an Iron Man attraction is executed in a similar fashion, I won't complain. However, I fear that it will rely almost entirely on "flash and bang" and will lack a story that enhances the futuristic theme of the land.

[TylerDurden]

I wouldn't say that the Temple of the Forbidden Eye is entirely "flash" and "bang". It has a solid story that the ride's "flash" and "bang" serve to enhance and create a spirit of adventure brilliantly fits into the land. Some purists would still disagree that Indy belongs in Disneyland, but in my opinion, the way it was executed beautifully compliments Adventureland. If an Iron Man attraction is executed in a similar fashion, I won't complain. However, I fear that it will rely almost entirely on "flash and bang" and will lack a story that enhances the futuristic theme of the land.

We can only hope that Disney goes with a solid story and that's a distinct possibility! But complaining about Iron Man's backstory--I think that may be a bit of a stretch, especially considering his neighbor Indiana Jones is no Mickey Mouse himself.

[Disneymike]

I missed the part in Temple of the Forbidden Eye where Indy's character developments, including his agnostic religious views and womanizing habits, were explored. Was it before or after the flash and bang that is the whole ride?

And the fact that Indy fits in the whole grand scheme, time, and feel of Adventureland makes no sense to you? Whereas Iron Man, if it is just a whiz bang hero/villain mash up that doesn't focus on futuristic technology that will help and enhance mankind in the future does make sense to you in Tomorrowland?
Tomorrowland, where Walt Disney described it as such in his own words:"Tomorrow can be a wonderful age. Our scientists today are opening the doors of the Space Age to achievements that will benefit our children and generations to come. The Tomorrowland attractions have been designed to give you an opportunity to participate in adventures that are a living blueprint of our future." How does battling some demented super villain "benefit our children and generations to come"? If that's your idea of a future you can keep it.

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We can only hope that Disney goes with a solid story and that's a distinct possibility! But complaining about Iron Man's backstory--I think that may be a bit of a stretch, especially considering his neighbor Indiana Jones is no Mickey Mouse himself.

I see no evidence of gatheringrosebuds "complaining" about Iron Man's backstory in that he was no choir boy, where are you getting that?