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    Re: In this case I hope Al is wrong about Christmas!

    Total newb question, who or what is AI?

    This news makes me very sad. We have been traveling to Disney during the "holiday season" (usually at the end of November and beginning of December) for the past 3 years. We live in Hawaii and the whole atmosphere made it a great tradition for us. We traveled during these times because the it really wasn't that crowded and we still got the holiday theme. The things that really makes this time magical are the fireworks and snow falling. Without it, it just won't be the same.

    Will the park still be decorated with the holiday theme before hand or will they decorate for only these special event dates?

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    Re: In this case I hope Al is wrong about Christmas!

    Quote Originally Posted by John Keola Lessary View Post
    Total newb question, who or what is AI?
    That would be Al Lutz.
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    Re: In this case I hope Al is wrong about Christmas!

    Quote Originally Posted by BasilofBakerStreet View Post
    I'm starting to think TDA wants to get rid of APers.
    They must want to ge rid of the single day ticket holder as well since this would cause them to either leave the park at 7pm or pay the upcharge to stay for the parties.

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    Plus why would I want to spend $64 dollars for a few hours inside the park when I could spend that money for a FULL 8 hour day on the ski slopes.
    The Halloween parties gave ticket holders a "FULL 8 hour day" in the parks as well. You could get in as early as 4pm with the party ticket and stay until midnight most nights.
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    Re: In this case I hope Al is wrong about Christmas!

    I could only see paying extra for this if I knew the "snow effect" used actual snow machines that made snow, not bubbles.
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    Re: In this case I hope Al is wrong about Christmas!

    Ya exactly when you can drive up to the mountains and play in the real stuff. Years ago we would go skiing between thanksgiving and Christmas and nine times out of ten it would be snowing making it extra special.

    It would be one thing to have "real snow" heck Universal Studios does it with Grinchmas. Plus their tree is amazing. I find it "cheap" to have bubbles (soap) falling instead of the real stuff. If they are going to be charging extra for the "fake snow" they should have real snow. I always laughed at the fake snow Tallinn down because I've been in the real stuff.

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    Re: In this case I hope Al is wrong about Christmas!

    Quote Originally Posted by Baloo View Post
    I hate to say it but the same drama happen when the info was leaked about Halloween and guests seem to have adapted to the change.

    Christmas will be the same.

    also all we have to do is a search and we would find people suggesting ideas about Christmas being to much burden on the park and how frustrating and overcrowding it could be, we'll TDA has found a solution that will make them more money. Sadly if the premium apps continue to rise it will not be worth renewing since one of the reasons for that pass was to enjoy these holidays when others were blocked
    With Halloween we only lost the fireworks, with Christmas we purty much lose everything but the decorations and layovers.

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    Re: In this case I hope Al is wrong about Christmas!

    This is our last Christmas experience after that we may not return until something amazing comes up because at this rate everything they offer is a turn off and junk

    It's a music Celebration
    Come on, come on, come on
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    Feel the beat, what a great sensation
    Come on, come on, come on
    Move and clap your hands,
    Get into the Spirit
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    So come on, come on

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    Re: In this case I hope Al is wrong about Christmas!

    This is how it will go with the Christmas party: 1st year, it'll be great; 2nd year, price will go up a few dollars but still be great; 3rd year, price will go up and one or two features will be removed; 4th year, price will go up and more features will be removed; 5th year price will go up; 6th year price will go up and start to be less of a great time; 7th year price will go up; 8th year price will go up; 9th year...

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    Re: In this case I hope Al is wrong about Christmas!

    I've been hearing this rumor for the past month or so, it's pretty much a 95% sure thing unfortunately.


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    Re: In this case I hope Al is wrong about Christmas!

    This is not good for people that are out of towners, when you want to experience this and have to plan around it or when it's sold out. It will still be the same crowding. It's now just greed.
    Last edited by penguinsoda; 10-18-2012 at 10:18 AM. Reason: Word fliter

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    Re: In this case I hope Al is wrong about Christmas!

    Knott's Merry Farm -- absolutey "free" (included with regular admission price).

    Grinchmas at Universal Studios -- same thing.

    Does Disney really think that people are going to pay a premium to see their Christmas offerings? How stupid can they be?

    The only reason that the other parks charge a separate fee for their Haunt events is because they aren't meant for children under 13. They are billed as "adult only" events. Sure there is a huge amount of money these parks make from it. But if they weren't successful they would have stopped doing them long ago. So Disney decided to join in and offer a family oriented environment as an altrrnative. And they also decided to charge extra for it which no one protested because that's what has always been done when it comes to haunt events.

    The problem is that the other local parks do not charge separate for their Christmas events. And that's where Disney is getting it wrong. It may work differently in Florida where many WDW guests don't have access to local parks that put on Haloween events, and perhaps these guests are not aware that the upcharge is how Haloween is normally done. So they are therefore more likely to accept at face value that this is how Christmas should be done as well. To DLR locals charging extra for Haloween makes sense. Charging extra for Christmas simply doesn't.

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    Re: In this case I hope Al is wrong about Christmas!

    Quote Originally Posted by DisneyIPresume View Post
    Knott's Merry Farm -- absolutey "free" (included with regular admission price).

    Grinchmas at Universal Studios -- same thing.

    Does Disney really think that people are going to pay a premium to see their Christmas offerings? How stupid can they be?

    The only reason that the other parks charge a separate fee for their Haunt events is because they aren't meant for children under 13. They are billed as "adult only" events. Sure there is a huge amount of money these parks make from it. But if they weren't successful they would have stopped doing them long ago. So Disney decided to join in and offer a family oriented environment as an altrrnative. And they also decided to charge extra for it which no one protested because that's what has always been done when it comes to haunt events.

    The problem is that the other local parks do not charge separate for their Christmas events. And that's where Disney is getting it wrong. It may work differently in Florida where many WDW guests don't have access to local parks that put on Haloween events, and perhaps these guests are not aware that the upcharge is how Haloween is normally done. So they are therefore more likely to accept at face value that this is how Christmas should be done as well. To DLR locals charging extra for Haloween makes sense. Charging extra for Christmas simply doesn't.
    And maybe the other local parks will start using that has a selling point.... "All Christmas entertainment included in one low admission price!!" More and more it will start to make Disneyland look more like a boutique venue, one who is trying to cater to a higher end demographic and the expense of the general masses.




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    Re: In this case I hope Al is wrong about Christmas!

    Quote Originally Posted by DisneyIPresume View Post

    Does Disney really think that people are going to pay a premium to see their Christmas offerings? How stupid can they be?
    Yes Disney does. Look at Halloween? Pretty smart actually.

    We booked our vacation for the week through New Years so we won't be affected by the change. Even if Disney ups admission next year for the two weeks through the holidays, we will still attend. It's totally worth it.


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    Re: In this case I hope Al is wrong about Christmas!

    Well, the guests do have the option of NOT paying to go to the extra Christmas events. Perhaps when they don't make money doing this, Disney will get the message.
    But I don't think guests would be willing to do this.

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    Re: In this case I hope Al is wrong about Christmas!

    As I've said before, my family has had APs since the era of the Monorail Cafe, and we will not be renewing them this Winter.

    I am SO, SO disappointed because Christmastime at Disneyland is the most beautiful and nostalgic memory I have of my childhood. I seriously hope this rumor isn't true, but I highly doubt it. I remember the controversy surrounding making MNSSHP a ticketed event, but in my opinion, Disney Halloween and Disney Christmas are on two COMPLETELY different levels.

    This gives my family more incentive to visit Knott's, Universal, and even Six Flags.

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