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    Not renewing my pass

    Looks like I'll be saving some extra cash this year by not renewing my pass. Hmm imagine the things I can buy next christmas with the money I'll save!

    Up charging for Halloween parties really isnít the crime people were afraid it was going to be. Special offerings like the trick or treat zones and guest Halloween parades (do they still do that??) are truly the added bonuses since isnít logistical to fold those activities into normal operation. Whatís more, Halloween isnít a major holiday; so a few ticketed events arenít that critical.

    However, having private Christmas parties at Disneyland is a bit trickier. First is the obvious, Locals and those who grew up on Disneyland California will balk at the idea of paying for something that once was included in the price of admission.

    But what bothers me is TDAís desire to model DL after WDW. You canít treat the two resorts the same. Disneyland is smaller and caters to the locals. The amount of tourists planning years in advance, saving every penny, and mapping out every minuet of their stay just doesnít compare to the amount of global tourists flocking to WDW. And because of this, WDW is forced to streamline operation and accommodate large crowds. This manifests itself in next-gen queues, one stop shop meet ní greets, and of course, separate ticketed events. The Christmas Party works in Florida because everything is laid out in a few hours of regimented ďpartingĒ. This fulfills tourists need to see and do everything in a streamlined and operationally sound way.

    More to the point, if you do not wish to pay for WDW Christmas party, there are other ways throughout the entire (MASSIVE) resort one can get their holiday fix without feeling gypped.

    With locals so accustomed to having Christmas fireworks and shows included in their ticket Iím interested to see how this plays out. And if this event is a success from an operational standpoint.

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    Re: In this case I hope Al is wrong about Christmas!

    Another thing occured to me about this. If I understand this correctly, aside from everything else, 2012 could be the last year that anyone, and I mean anyone, no matter what they paid, will have the chance to see the parade during daylight hours. The sun is literally setting on the "Christmas Fantasy"(or whatever it's called) parade. Although, I think the update said that these upcharge events would not be happening during those final two weeks of the holidays. So if I understand, if I have an AP with not blackout dates, there will still be an opportunity to catch the parade without getting a ticket to one of those upcharge events, which I have no interest in attending. But, yeah, that's another thing that bothers me. The parade looks good at night, but I also like it with the sunlight hitting the floats, characters, etc.

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    Re: In this case I hope Al is wrong about Christmas!

    I prefer the parade at night, theres just something about it that is more magical with the huge crowds and snow, and what not at night that can't be recreated at day.


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    Re: In this case I hope Al is wrong about Christmas!

    Quote Originally Posted by sbk1234 View Post
    Well, the guests do have the option of NOT paying to go to the extra Christmas events. Perhaps when they don't make money doing this, Disney will get the message.
    But I don't think guests would be willing to do this.
    Yeah..but this is Disney fans were talking about.....they pay for most anything Disney...heck fans just paid like 250 each to eat at an old restaurant in adventureland...they will pay for this too

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    Re: In this case I hope Al is wrong about Christmas!

    When they do the "parties", how do they get all the people out of the park that didn't pay for the party?

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    Re: In this case I hope Al is wrong about Christmas!

    Quote Originally Posted by fastpassninja View Post
    When they do the "parties", how do they get all the people out of the park that didn't pay for the party?
    By glaring. They hire teachers to roam and glare.

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    Re: In this case I hope Al is wrong about Christmas!

    Quote Originally Posted by fastpassninja View Post
    When they do the "parties", how do they get all the people out of the park that didn't pay for the party?
    You need a wristband to do ANYTHING in the park and they have CM going around and asking people to make sure you should be there.......thats what they did last night as I was leaving at 7 PM

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    Re: In this case I hope Al is wrong about Christmas!

    Quote Originally Posted by k_peek_2000 View Post
    I prefer the parade at night, theres just something about it that is more magical with the huge crowds and snow, and what not at night that can't be recreated at day.
    Well, pretty soon there may be nothing to disagree about, with only the party guests seeing the parade at all, and at night of course, with the day guests getting neither a day nor night Christmas parade.
    You know what else I find ironic? I just checked the hours for WDW Magic Kingdom. On New Year's Eve, it says they'll be open until midnight, which seems kind of funny. "Happy New Year! Now get out!?". That's not the real irony I see. It's that I, and I'm sure others, remember a time, dating back to long before Eisner, when at Disneyland New Years Eve was a hard ticket party! Remember that? I think the price was actually higher than a regular day ticket, which had something to do with it being like other private parties, with no tickets required for the rides(during the ticket book era).
    I think that when they went to "pay one price" in the early eighties, and as the admission price got closer and closer to the 20 dollar mark, the decision was made to just keep the park open.
    Now, New Years Eve may be one of the few days in the season when they do not have a hard ticket party, at least if they follow the Florida model.
    Now watch, someone from the company is going to read this, and start getting ideas.
    One other thing, this news seems to be a Miceage exclusive, and more to the point, an Al Lutz exclusive. You would think they'd be discussing it over at laughingplace, or other sites, but I can't seem to find anyone else bringing it up. Makes me wonder about its veracity.

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    Re: In this case I hope Al is wrong about Christmas!

    I remember back in the old days when NYE was a separate ticketed event. I also remember - I think it was in the fall although I could be wrong about that - that they had a jazz festival that iirc lasted a couple of evenings. From what I remember those were separately ticketed events as well.

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    Re: In this case I hope Al is wrong about Christmas!

    ^ Ticketed events in the pre-Eisger era were true events, with name entertainment and extras that were brought in for the event. They weren't upcharges for things that used to be included in the regular ticket price.
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    Re: In this case I hope Al is wrong about Christmas!

    For what it's worth, here is an update from November 2010, where Al previously reported about the possibility of this happening, and here, he predicted that it might have started in 2011!
    Pyro & Parades? Pay Up! - MiceAge.com
    The article is titled, "Parades & Pyro? Pay Up!" or something like that. I was relieved when 2011/12 came and went and this never came to pass, but now the rumor rears its ugly head again. We'll see if Al is wrong/misinformed again, or if everything gets pushed back another year or two again. Or if it's for real this time.

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    Re: In this case I hope Al is wrong about Christmas!

    Quote Originally Posted by Buster Keaton View Post
    As far as I am concerned, I have already paid for a year's worth of admission into the park when I purchased my premium annual pass. I am not going to pay one penny more to get into the park. I simply like to be able to spend the entire day at the park, and I do not appreciate Disney asking me for more money to do so when I have already paid quite a bit.
    In Black Card Land (Club 33) we are similarly impacted by the nickel-and-diming for these after-hour events. Currently, should we decide to dine at the club, we are escorted out of the park if Halloween Time events are in session in the late evening hours... unless we pay more. A similar policy will undoubtedly exist during next year's Christmas events as well. (Naturally I get around this by ordering a few drinks and lounging behind the locked door until the event is over so that, in theory, I get my full day in the park, but I digress).

    Now, for me personally, I agree with Buster Keaton; the parades, fireworks, and "parties" don't really interest me more than the atmosphere (and seasonal rides) of the park during these holiday periods. Upcharged events are part of the Club 33 experience, and although I haven't yet seen a truly blockbuster event come down the tubes those that have come up certainly warranted it given the hospitality they offered, but these general public type things don't pass muster for deserving an extra upcharge in my book. Therefore, kicking me out of the park because I haven't paid for the privilege of watching Halloween Screams... even though I never intended to... and especially when my membership was important enough to receive a hand-signed welcome letter from the President of the DLR... just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Especially when you're weeks away from yet ANOTHER big money dump.

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    Re: In this case I hope Al is wrong about Christmas!

    I feel that once the surge over Carsland is over than TDA will see that milking the golden goose for every egg is not a good thing because all the geese will not be coming back. And what is the new project the just might keep the geese coming back? Because Fantasyland Fair will not make park attendance go up so do have to wait until the convention or will the word slip out about maybe an overhaul of Toontown and Tomorrowland? Maybe a new attractions in Paradise Bay...?

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