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    Re: I.D. checks for DLR starting today (?)

    Quote Originally Posted by techskip View Post
    I fail to see how this in any way negatively affected Disney
    Because it's lost revenue. 'Resellers' are buying discount admission (via bulk days) vs. the customer paying Disney a higher priced admission. It's as simple as that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ewo1992 View Post
    What will the new entrances be? It looks like it won't be the finger scanners. "Disney World parks and SeaWorld San Diego use biometrics a fingerprint scanning system for visitors using multiday passes. Brown, the Disney official in Anaheim, said that strategy won't be used here."
    RFID embedded ticket 'media'. They'll link your ID info and possibly more with your tickets. Then the same ticket can't be reused by other people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lisaboo View Post
    Except that my mother prepurchased the ticket from Costco. I am not sure if she saved the reciept or not. Ugh! And I appreciate the answers. I still am unclear if this means we have to go through this special line since the only person in my party with a 4 day pass and not an AP is my IDless three year old.
    I think you are overthinking this.. Disney isn't out to penalize you and isn't going to give you the 3rd degree about a child's ID. They'll make you put the name on the ticket, and at most just check that the name on the ticket matches the ID of the family he is with.

    You might have to go through this line.. but that is something you can get answered on the first time through the gate and if you do, it shouldn't be a big deal. You still get to the same place afterwards
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    Re: I.D. checks for DLR starting today (?)

    This is not uncommon for Disney to ask for I.D's or have you print or sign your name on the ticket. In the 80's and 90's I remember having to do on our first day. On the rest of the trip my mom would have to show her I.D. It had stopped for halted until about 2001 finally most C.M wouldn't do this due to the hassle and long lines. I do not mind this it's just trying protect families as well as them.
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    I'm glad to see this change but I hope it isn't too much of an inconvenience for park guests. And it's about time Disneyland did something to solve this problems. I have heard investors say that the company is getting "ripped off". I agree and disagree. Yes Disneyland is losing money when they are rented out. But most of the people renting out these tickets do it because they can't/won't pay the regular admission prices. Since the tickets are being sold for a lot cheaper, more can afford them and so the renters keep buying lots and lots of tickets. I think this is why Disneyland took so long to do something about this. Because investors have brought this issue but many times.

    The first thing that I saw was that Disneyland started to make sure the names on the tickets matched the ID and for every ticket sold from their ticket booths. If someone didn't have a name written on it, they would make you write it at the ticket entrance. Of course the renters told their customers to never sign the tickets, but they had to in order to get in. And not all ticket takers were enforcing this. But those who rented out the tickets caught on, and with their connections to authorized Disney ticket sellers, they would reprint the multi day tickets everyday and put a name on the ticket. Disney didn't ask for ID in most cases. They just looked to make sure they were signed. Since the ticket renters found a way out of it, Disney now has to result to this process of checking everyones ID. And I think the reason why they have designated lanes for them is because they now that not all ticket takers will enforce the rule. So they want consistency.

    I know a lot about these companies "renting" out tickets because they have been taking clients for quite some time now. As a travel agent I had several clients who would not purchase the tickets from my agency, they said they were getting a better deal elsewhere. They would book everything with us, but the tickets. I was very disappointed that these renters were taking clients. We informed them it was against company policy and strongly discouraged them but they didn't seem to care. They just wanted to save some money.

    This looks like this is going to finally put an end to this problem.But from all the experiences clients and groups have encountered I wouldn't count on it. Many of the ticket takers don't really care about what they do. Not all, but I have had many experiences in which they just don't core. For example, I once encountered a cast member who told my friend "Just come on in, I hate this place anyway" when he was trying to get in and couldn't find his ticket in his backpack. Another time, I handed a cast member my dad's annual pass and my dad had mine (same name), and he did not say anything when clearly I was not the one in the picture. I had to correct it get the right pass when I saw the picture and he just told me he didn't care.

    So hopefully the new process will come soon to prevent these kinds of problems.

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    Re: I.D. checks for DLR starting today (?)

    Quote Originally Posted by flynnibus View Post
    Because it's lost revenue. 'Resellers' are buying discount admission (via bulk days) vs. the customer paying Disney a higher priced admission. It's as simple as that.
    Yes!

    Quote Originally Posted by techskip View Post
    I fail to see how this in any way negatively affected Disney. They sold multi-day tickets, people showed up to use said tickets.If anything this will actually CUT DOWN on the use... meaning Disney is now making money on people not using their full ticket. From what I understand the concept behind the "business model" was based on seeing families "sell" the remaining days of their ticket... so running along those lines said families no longer have an outlet and that last day(s) are now empty but still part of the purchase price. I'm not arguing ethics, just pointing out that Disney appears to be using it to retain profits and control crowds.
    If this was in the ticket book days or if there were no discount for multi-day passes, then I would agree with you. But... from the numbers in the OC Register article (even if they're not right anymore, it's the same idea): $125 for a one-day parkhopper, and $290 for a five-day hopper. If you bought five one-day passes, it would be $625... or $335 more! Disney is giving a substantial discount to ticket buyers who buy in bulk.

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    Re: I.D. checks for DLR starting today (?)

    Is personal info tied to the barcode on the ticket? If all they are going off of is a signature, I don't think it is that hard for the scammers to get around. There are such things as pens with erasable ink.

    When they go to RFID bracelets, will they even be checking ID? I'm not sure how that is going to work if they are getting rid of turnstiles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinkbelle View Post
    When they go to RFID bracelets, will they even be checking ID? I'm not sure how that is going to work if they are getting rid of turnstiles.
    I think people are taking Al's comments about the gate wrong. I doubt they will get ride of the access control point - simply the mechanics will change to be an open path vs the clicking turnstiles you have now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinkbelle View Post
    Is personal info tied to the barcode on the ticket? If all they are going off of is a signature, I don't think it is that hard for the scammers to get around. There are such things as pens with erasable ink.

    When they go to RFID bracelets, will they even be checking ID? I'm not sure how that is going to work if they are getting rid of turnstiles.
    Disney asks you to sign your tickets with thier pen in front of the CM.

    They may very well continue to check IDs. The turnstyle doesn't do much anymore, it isn't needed to count entries like it was before, that chirp you hear can be associated with a computer counting your entry. The biggest problem with the turnstyles is strollers can't go through them so the line gets hung up as the guest gets led out of the line over to the gate to take the stroller through. It's a small problem that can be gotten rid of.

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    Re: I.D. checks for DLR starting today (?)

    Are they going to make some of the entrances for multi-day passes permanent and continue checking every single person?

    Also, with it being digital I feel like it is possibly opening it to even more abuse - people learning how to hack the bracelets/system to do all kinds of things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swampymarsh View Post
    Disney asks you to sign your tickets with thier pen in front of the CM.
    The people who rent out passes - are those tickets signed in front of a CM at purchase?

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    Re: I.D. checks for DLR starting today (?)

    Instead of checking IDs why dont they use fingerprints like WDW? just a thought


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    Re: I.D. checks for DLR starting today (?)

    Quote Originally Posted by Tinkbelle View Post
    Are they going to make some of the entrances for multi-day passes permanent and continue checking every single person?
    Nobody knows, but it sounds like this will be replaced within a year, according to a quote in an OCregister article.


    Also, with it being digital I feel like it is possibly opening it to even more abuse - people learning how to hack the bracelets/system to do all kinds of things.
    Maybe but probably not. See the bracelet may only have in it one peice of information, say the number 5. When the bracelet goes near a reader, all it say is, 5. The reader connects to the system and says 5 is here, so the system can say what to do.

    This is just like your credit cards, you card does not have your transactions information on it, but it has a number that in the system is connected to that information.


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    The people who rent out passes - are those tickets signed in front of a CM at purchase?
    Not nessecarily. However there are more ways to verify if a ticket is the holders, though I won't elaborate on how.

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    Re: I.D. checks for DLR starting today (?)

    Quote Originally Posted by swampymarsh View Post

    Not nessecarily. However there are more ways to verify if a ticket is the holders, though I won't elaborate on how.
    This was what I was thinking. But I somehow doubt they go to the extra effort to check it out if the ticket is signed.

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    Re: I.D. checks for DLR starting today (?)

    Quote Originally Posted by DisneyIPresume View Post
    Ticket rentals are not illegal. However it is against Disney policy. Disney cannot do a thing to prosecute ticket rental companies or the guests who use them. Disney can, however, enforce their own policies which would do a lot to slow down these types of businesses.
    Right, and they can void the tickets.

    Quote Originally Posted by flynnibus View Post
    Because it's lost revenue. 'Resellers' are buying discount admission (via bulk days) vs. the customer paying Disney a higher priced admission. It's as simple as that.
    Disney is not loosing any money from the resellers. They are buying the tickets at standard disney prices. The more they buy the cheaper they will be. It wouldn't matter if they are reselling or not.


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    Re: I.D. checks for DLR starting today (?)

    Quote Originally Posted by k_peek_2000 View Post
    Right, and they can void the tickets.



    Disney is not loosing any money from the resellers. They are buying the tickets at standard disney prices. The more they buy the cheaper they will be. It wouldn't matter if they are reselling or not.

    I think they are losing money. A 1 day adult hopper is $125. A 5 day adult hopper is $290. That works out (prorated over 5 days) to $58 per day (290 divided by 5 = 58). The ticket 'reseller' then 'rents' one day of the ticket out to a 'buyer' for, lets say, $100.00*, 'saving' the 'buyer' $25. Again, Disney 1 day hopper price is $125 but the 'reseller' paid the equivalent of $58 for 1 day on that 5 day hopper, then 'resold' one day for $100.00, netting the reseller $42 profit. Disney lost ticket revenue because that 'buyer' should/would have paid $125 for a 1 day hopper ticket. So, $125 (what the 'buyer' should have paid for 1 day) less $58 (what the 'reseller' paid for 1 day) = Disney's lost revenue of $67 on each day resold on that 5 day hopper. Remember, they are not reselling the whole hopper to one person, they are selling individual days on that hopper at an inflated price, that is, they are charging MORE per day than they PAID.

    As far as reselling being 'scalping': Because they are 1) selling one day at LESS than the Disney one day price AND 2) not selling on Disney property, technically, this may not be considered scalping. Meaning selling something for MORE than it's 'value', if the 'value' considered is the price of one day's admission, not the actual price paid for the ticket, because you CAN sell something for more than you paid for it. Consider the prices going for World Series tickets on Craig's List. Or Super Bowl tickets. That, after all, is 'free market economics' & is not illegal. And my understanding is that it's only scalping if you're selling for inflated prices AT THE VENUE. My son toured with a band and they could stop people from selling tickets outside the venues as it was scalping, but nothing could be done about online (i.e. Craig's list) sales because they weren't considered 'scalping' as it was not being done at the venue. I do not in any way condone what these resellers are doing!!! It is expressly against Disney's rules and is unethical because when you buy a ticket you are agreeing to abide by Disney's rules & not sell or transfer the ticket. But I do not believe it is illegal, as in criminal, but may be a civil violation, as in breach of contract.

    There was a recent somewhat similar fracas regarding (the very hard to get) camping reservations at Yosemite being resold at hugely inflated prices ($20/night being resold for $100/night). They now advise people when they make the reservations that they are not transferable and that you cannot change a name on a reservation in any way and that ID is required at check-in and that there are no refunds at check in. If the name on the reservation and the ID do not match, you are turned away, SOL, no refund, bye bye Charlie, don't even THINK of staying here! We have friends who had to wait for 2 hours at the campground for other friends to show up because the res was in their name so they wouldn't let the first arrivals register.



    *I picked that figure at random, I don't know what the resellers are charging & wouldn't want to 'advertise' it on MiceChat by posting an actual price. Although I know none of us would ever 'rent' a ticket!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormy View Post
    Again, Disney 1 day hopper price is $125 but the 'reseller' paid the equivalent of $58 for 1 day on that 5 day hopper, then 'resold' one day for $100.00, netting the reseller $42 profit. Disney 'lost' ticket revenue because that 'buyer' should/would have paid $125 for a 1 day hopper ticket. So, $125 (what the 'buyer' should have paid for 1 day) less $58 (what the 'reseller' paid for 1 day) = Disney's lost revenue of $67 on each day resold on that 5 day hopper.
    I think it might depend on how much the person who "rents" the ticket spends in the park. If that person is unwilling to pay Disney's full asking price and wouldn't go if that were their only option, then Disney isn't losing money on the ticket. If the person is willing to spend money on food and merchandise then it might even be beneficial to Disney. I think it would be a difficult thing to calculate. You would have to know how much Disney needs to make off of every person to break even in order to know how much someone who rents a ticket has to spend in the parks to make a profit for Disney. And then you'd have to know if they are spending that much or not. So... I don't think we will ever really know whether Disney is making or losing money off those people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinkbelle View Post
    I think it might depend on how much the person who "rents" the ticket spends in the park. If that person is unwilling to pay Disney's full asking price and wouldn't go if that were their only option, then Disney isn't losing money on the ticket. If the person is willing to spend money on food and merchandise then it might even be beneficial to Disney. I think it would be a difficult thing to calculate. You would have to know how much Disney needs to make off of every person to break even in order to know how much someone who rents a ticket has to spend in the parks to make a profit for Disney. And then you'd have to know if they are spending that much or not. So... I don't think we will ever really know whether Disney is making or losing money off those people.

    I don't know. I think if the resellers fell off the face of the earth tomorrow, probably 99% of the public would just ante up for a full price ticket rather than not go to the park at all. After all, we all paid the full price before this reselling gig started up. Their overall budget would probably be the same (spend more for tickets, less for 'stuff') but Disney would be getting the 'correct' amount of money, since they would be getting a full admission price, rather than just 1/5 of a prorated hopper price. A case in point would be my DH & I and our recent trip. We wanted to stay at the Grand, which was a splurge. So we ate more sandwiches in the room rather than lunches in the park. Disney got the same amount of money from us, just more in room charge and less in food bought in the park. We didn't decide not to go because the Grand was more expensive, we just reallocated our money.
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