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    Re: Ideas for making the Dl less crowded/crowd Efficient

    It was supposed to say "Ticket Books" but it didn't work.

    Or just sell individual tickets. You buy a ticket for the most popular attractions. And with that purchase you get a reservation time, so there is no waiting in line.

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    Re: Ideas for making the Dl less crowded/crowd Efficient

    Quote Originally Posted by DrFink View Post
    When I went last month my parents were reminiscing about the days there there were E-ticket rides and A-tickets and so forth. They both said they wish they'd bring the ticket books back and that it might help the crowd control.
    How will that help with crowd control? The lack of people willing to buy the tickets mean people will visit for a shorter period. I don't think its in Disney's interest to reduce the crowds for the rides as well as staying in the park.

    The people complaining about congestion don't address the goal of the parks. Disneyland needs to maintain a consistent level of attendance to maximize operations and revenue. This results in overbooking. It's like how airlines consistently overbook their seats and hoping some guests will cancel. No matter the penalty, leaving with full flights will maximize profits.

    Some guests will leave from frustration, but Disney gets a full park.
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    Re: Ideas for making the Dl less crowded/crowd Efficient

    i don't see how ticket books would work. that would frustrate me ..lol

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    Re: Ideas for making the Dl less crowded/crowd Efficient

    ticket books would increase the crowd effect not reduce it. The crowd effect comes from congestion of guests in the streets, and creating bottlenecks in narrow pathways.

    Getting guest into attractions reduces the crowd effect within the parks. You need more guest in line and on rides and out of the streets. Bringing back ticket books would discourage guest from experiencing some rides and putting them back into the streets.

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    Re: Ideas for making the Dl less crowded/crowd Efficient

    Quote Originally Posted by PecosBill View Post
    ticket books would increase the crowd effect not reduce it. The crowd effect comes from congestion of guests in the streets, and creating bottlenecks in narrow pathways.

    Getting guest into attractions reduces the crowd effect within the parks. You need more guest in line and on rides and out of the streets. Bringing back ticket books would discourage guest from experiencing some rides and putting them back into the streets.
    Sounds like a plea to ban fastpass.

    I agree. Stand in line and wait, if you want to.
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    Re: Ideas for making the Dl less crowded/crowd Efficient

    Quote Originally Posted by PecosBill View Post
    Bringing back ticket books would discourage guest from experiencing some rides and putting them back into the streets.
    Just the opposite. As Disneyland's first 30 years of operational experience showed, ticket books reduced crowding by encouraging guests to ride the lower-tier ticket attractions, as well as the most popular big attractions. The AP program, combined with FastPass, encourages a "consume the E-Ticket rides" mentality that contributes to street crowding.
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    Re: Ideas for making the Dl less crowded/crowd Efficient

    Quote Originally Posted by PecosBill View Post
    ticket books would increase the crowd effect not reduce it. The crowd effect comes from congestion of guests in the streets, and creating bottlenecks in narrow pathways.
    you write this without knowing the cost of the tickets.
    Maybe E-tickets are only 5 cents each.

    But, more likely the price will reflect the cost of operating the attraction (long-term AND short-term) divided by the number of riders. Plus some profit amount.
    If Space Mountain costs $100,000 a day to operate, 12 passengers leave every 15 seconds, that's about 40000 passengers for a 14-hour day. So, $4/passenger.
    $60K profit each day is about $24 million/year in profit/contingency for refurb.
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    Re: Ideas for making the Dl less crowded/crowd Efficient

    This subject seems pointless. The answer is not ours to come up.
    we have next to ZERO facts and as many figures to work with.

    It's an emotional issue.

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    Re: Ideas for making the Dl less crowded/crowd Efficient

    Tonto Animatronic showing the other Native Americans on the banks of the ROA an effective rain dance.
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    Re: Ideas for making the Dl less crowded/crowd Efficient

    Build a 3rd park.

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    Re: Ideas for making the Dl less crowded/crowd Efficient

    Ok here's what I say, stop selling 1 park tickets and make everyone buy hopper tickets. Then it would feel less crowded.

    stop selling annual passes but replace it with 18 day park hopper tickets so it limits how often people go. And if you pass your 18 days, it's $50 extra per additional days. The current ap are REALLY big discounts Cus it pays for itself within the first 3 visits.

    Get rid of the giftshop in advetureland to make the walkways bigger

    Remove all fp Cus the queue turns into a walkby and not used as a queue. Ex space mt, Indy,

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    Re: Ideas for making the Dl less crowded/crowd Efficient

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wiggins View Post
    End the AP program, increase day-ticket prices and offer discounts for frequent day-ticket buyers.
    I agree with this. Even though it wouldn't be popular with current AP holders, I think it'd be the best plan all around.

    If everyone had to actually pay to get in, it certainly would reduce the crowds. As far as net profit goes, I'm not sure; but I'd bet in the long term DL would see an increase in the bottom line.

    The monthly payment plan has to be one of the worst corporate decisions I've ever seen. Of course I don't have exact figures, but basic logic dictates that if a person cannot afford anything but a monthly payment, it is very likely that they cannot afford to spend much once they're in the gate.

    Besides, why should anyone pay less to get in just because they live close by. I live close to Reno (tons of casinos), the fact that I'm local doesn't get me looser slots or discounts on anything.

    The idea of a frequent visitor type of discount seems best to me, provided there's no time limit. This would reward repeat customers, but they'd have to earn it.

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    Re: Ideas for making the Dl less crowded/crowd Efficient

    Quote Originally Posted by sediment View Post
    you write this without knowing the cost of the tickets.
    Maybe E-tickets are only 5 cents each.

    But, more likely the price will reflect the cost of operating the attraction (long-term AND short-term) divided by the number of riders. Plus some profit amount.
    If Space Mountain costs $100,000 a day to operate, 12 passengers leave every 15 seconds, that's about 40000 passengers for a 14-hour day. So, $4/passenger.
    $60K profit each day is about $24 million/year in profit/contingency for refurb.
    You've got to include overhead costs too! Such as the great photopass photographers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJS View Post
    This subject seems pointless. The answer is not ours to come up.
    we have next to ZERO facts and as many figures to work with.
    True.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DannyLand View Post
    Ok here's what I say, stop selling 1 park tickets and make everyone buy hopper tickets. Then it would feel less crowded.

    stop selling annual passes but replace it with 18 day park hopper tickets so it limits how often people go. And if you pass your 18 days, it's $50 extra per additional days. The current ap are REALLY big discounts Cus it pays for itself within the first 3 visits. I don't agree. I'm OK with a punch card that others have mentioned.

    Get rid of the giftshop in advetureland to make the walkways bigger

    Remove all fp Cus the queue turns into a walkby and not used as a queue. Ex space mt, Indy,
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    Re: Ideas for making the Dl less crowded/crowd Efficient

    Quote Originally Posted by DannyLand View Post

    stop selling annual passes but replace it with 18 day park hopper tickets so it limits how often people go. And if you pass your 18 days, it's $50 extra per additional days. The current ap are REALLY big discounts Cus it pays for itself within the first 3 visits.

    I don't know about that, I wouldn't buy nearly as much merch without the 20% premium discount. Also it takes more than 3 visits to make up $650. (I'm not arguing it's still a great deal if you go once or twice a month)


    I agree with getting rid of the payment plan.

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    Re: Ideas for making the Dl less crowded/crowd Efficient

    you pay more $ for less theme parks. but WDW has more theme parks for less $. -__-

    why is it DLR $650 for 2 theme parks for valid 365 days yr.

    but WDW it's only $452.63 ($611.31 if not FL resident) for 4 theme parks valid for 365 days yr.

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