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    Re: Time to Send the Grand Canyon Diorama to Yesterland

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    The Primeval World holds up surprisingly well. The Grand Canyon part is the weak link; there is less animation, the background mural lacks depth, and the hokey music doesn't help. I wouldn't mind some updating of the Grand Canyon part and maybe some sort of fiber optic or projection "time travel" effect in the dark part between the two dioramas.
    I don't think Ferde Grofe would call the music hokey.
    I hope the dioramas stay forever. To me the Disneyland R.R. will always be known as The Train That Shows the Dinosaurs.
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    Re: Time to Send the Grand Canyon Diorama to Yesterland

    I don't know when that train goes back in time it gives me the willys...
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    Re: Time to Send the Grand Canyon Diorama to Yesterland

    We like it and our 6 year old loves it, for her it is the highlight of the train ride every time we go! She likes the animals of the grand canyon and the dinosaurs of the back in time portion. There is a hidden mickey on the wall of the Modern Grand Canyon portion near the beginning that was pointed out to us by the cm, when he accompanied us when we last rode the Lilly Belle.
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    Re: Time to Send the Grand Canyon Diorama to Yesterland

    I get it. The original post must be sarcasm.

    Of course, the vast majority of people would NEVER want this to go.
    3D projections - movies of any kind - are no substitute for something real and tangible like the diarama.

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    Re: Time to Send the Grand Canyon Diorama to Yesterland

    NO! The Grand Canyon and subsequent Primeval World are two of the most nostalgic, magical, wonderful areas of the park! I would rather them relocate the Grand Canyon to the Frontierland portion of the railroad or even replace all the taxidermy-born animals with animatronics then rid of it all together. And there's no way that I'd want to ride a vintage train to watch a 3D movie. If I want to do that I can go to Universal and ride the tram where something very similar exists...King Kong 360. And seeing a bunch of three-dimensional dinosaurs on screens would look bizarre when put up against the much older animatronics next door. But I do appreciate your armchair Imagineering. It's always good to see it alive and well.

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    Re: Time to Send the Grand Canyon Diorama to Yesterland

    Give it a story why we left TL
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    Re: Time to Send the Grand Canyon Diorama to Yesterland

    "Hokey" music? Someone needs to take a music appreciation class.

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    Re: Time to Send the Grand Canyon Diorama to Yesterland

    It just needs some plussing up. New animals and props. Maybe some animatronics, but not gone completely.
    In the quest for quality, I have no problem with the characters footing the bill.

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    Re: Time to Send the Grand Canyon Diorama to Yesterland

    Hokey music? That "hokey" music you hear is a fine piece of American music, written during the latter part of the nationalistic period of classical music.

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    Re: Time to Send the Grand Canyon Diorama to Yesterland

    I'm constantly amazed and saddened that some people believe that every square inch of Disneyland needs to feature fireworks, holograms, lasers or some other stimulus du jour. Why can't some parts of the Park retain their quiet intimacy?

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    Re: Time to Send the Grand Canyon Diorama to Yesterland

    Saying it should be converted to something 3D bums me out. 3D is not the answer to everything (especially you, Hollywood - not every​ movie needs to be released in 3D!).

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    Re: Time to Send the Grand Canyon Diorama to Yesterland

    I agree. And for me at least, this is NOT the voice of conservatism or nostalgia speaking.

    Look, it's the longest diorama in the world. And since you're on a train, you get to experience it in a linear fashion, at a set speed. The animals are real (the only taxidermy in the park, I believe). And the diorama makes full use of all that, transitioning to winter with an impressive subtlety

    It doesn't need to be replaced by special effects; the diorama IS a special effect, in these CGI-encrusted times. Introducng motion to the animals would require replacing them with artificial constructs, since the pelts would wear out. We, as passengers on a train, are the ones who introduce motion.

    I wouldn't mind some "plussing" in finessing the transition to the dinosaurs, and the dinosaurs themselves can be refreshed for the sake of accuracy as paleontology advances. But for me, the diorama serves the same purpose as Pepper's Ghost in HM, or the water in the Canal Boats. It's the right tech for the effect.

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    Re: Time to Send the Grand Canyon Diorama to Yesterland

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve DeGaetano View Post
    I'm constantly amazed and saddened that some people believe that every square inch of Disneyland needs to feature fireworks, holograms, lasers or some other stimulus du jour. Why can't some parts of the Park retain their quiet intimacy?
    I couldn't agree more with this statement.

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    Re: Time to Send the Grand Canyon Diorama to Yesterland

    I am glad that most here seem to appreciate the diorama for what it is. It's not only a neat feature in its own right, it also reminds us of the history of Disneyland and the Railroad.

    Back in the day, the Santa Fe sponsored the trains. Interestingly, the Santa Fe had a branch line that took tourists to the real Grand Canyon. When Disney unveiled their version, the Santa Fe was quick to utilize the attraction in their own advertsing efforts.


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