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    Re: Time to Send the Grand Canyon Diorama to Yesterland

    Quote Originally Posted by Disneymike View Post
    Well, wouldn't that be just as weird and nonsensical-having an 1800's train passing through a futuristic city?
    Not as weird and nonsensical as an 1800's train traveling through the primeval Grand Canyon full of dinosaurs; at least the mix between the land and the diorama would make sense.
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    Re: Time to Send the Grand Canyon Diorama to Yesterland

    Why not just put the inevitable princess overlay on it and call it a day?

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    I Like the music that goes with the diorama! i always have, takes me back to when i was a kid and though the dino's were real.
    You mean they're not real? Thanks for spoiling the magic.
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    Re: Time to Send the Grand Canyon Diorama to Yesterland

    Quote Originally Posted by Chesire View Post
    Not as weird and nonsensical as an 1800's train traveling through the primeval Grand Canyon full of dinosaurs; at least the mix between the land and the diorama would make sense.
    To me, since the train is on the very outskirt of Tomorrowland, I've never really considered the Grand Canyon or Primeval World diorama parts of Tomorrowland. However, I think that a train zipping from California to Grand Canyon in the matter of a few seconds is pretty futuristic.

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    Re: Time to Send the Grand Canyon Diorama to Yesterland

    Quote Originally Posted by Chesire View Post
    Not as weird and nonsensical as an 1800's train traveling through the primeval Grand Canyon full of dinosaurs....
    The thematic rules are different for the Disneyland Railroad than for the individual lands of Disneyland: the train itself is themed to a specific time period, but the places its track takes it are not. From its base in a turn-of-the-century midwest American small town, it travels to 19th century New Orleans, the American Old West, into the pages of Joel Chandler Harris' Uncle Remus stories, through a world of children's fairy tales, to the land of the future, and back to its midwest small town. In that context, its excursion through the Grand Canyon Diorama and Primeval World is hardly nonsensical.
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    Re: Time to Send the Grand Canyon Diorama to Yesterland

    Quote Originally Posted by Seawolf View Post
    The Grand Canyon and Primeval World diorama is amazing. The only thing they should do is upgrade the animatronic technology. Projections and television with imitation 3d cannot replace detailed sets and mechanics; we learned that valuable lesson with FNSV.
    Well said.

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    Re: Time to Send the Grand Canyon Diorama to Yesterland

    Quote Originally Posted by Chesire View Post
    Not as weird and nonsensical as an 1800's train traveling through the primeval Grand Canyon full of dinosaurs; at least the mix between the land and the diorama would make sense.
    So I suppose you would be in favor of the castle being torn down in favor of a building themed to 1910 America? Perhaps a grand Victorian mansion would make more sense there instead.

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    Re: Time to Send the Grand Canyon Diorama to Yesterland

    Maybe they can rotate the diorama. If they can do it without damaging the animals, I'd like to see a future city type display sometimes, or maybe models of every other disney park. But I bet those props are really delicate so no...
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    Re: Time to Send the Grand Canyon Diorama to Yesterland

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinrar View Post
    Maybe they can rotate the diorama. If they can do it without damaging the animals, I'd like to see a future city type display sometimes, or maybe models of every other disney park. But I bet those props are really delicate so no...
    Or they could add another diorama somewhere else along the train route to include the items that you mentioned.
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    Re: Time to Send the Grand Canyon Diorama to Yesterland

    My only gripe with the Grand Canyon is its location. It clashes with Tomorrowland, and Main Street. the two lands that connect it, and the Primeval World has nothing to do with the Grand Canyon, even though they try to make a connection through the narrative on the train, it is a bit far fetched.

    Here is what I would do...

    I would move the Grand Canyon Diorama to the space after the Rivers of America and before Fantasyland. There is definitely enough room there for it. I would put it back together exactly as it was in the other location, but the themeing would fit sooo much better in this spot.

    Then, I would expand the Primeval World segment of the train to include both diorama rooms, and would add special lighting and smoke effects to make is appear as though you are entering a time machine, which is how it could tie into Tomorrowland, and Sci-Fi thematically.
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    Re: Time to Send the Grand Canyon Diorama to Yesterland

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Emelius View Post
    My only gripe with the Grand Canyon is its location. It clashes with Tomorrowland, and Main Street. the two lands that connect it,
    Fantasyland connects Frontierland and Tomorrowland and has nothing to do with either of those.

    The dioramas are not really in any land. They are part of the railroad which surrounds the park.

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Emelius View Post
    and the Primeval World has nothing to do with the Grand Canyon, even though they try to make a connection through the narrative on the train, it is a bit far fetched.
    I don't really see how it is far-fetched. It is supposed to represent what the Grand Canyon looked like during the time of the dinosaurs.
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    Re: Time to Send the Grand Canyon Diorama to Yesterland

    I think that the Grand Canyon probably looked nothing like the Primeval World did - it is a totally different environment, even if eons are supposed to have passed. I think it is a bit odd to think that it did. I never saw the connection.

    Also - I think the Grand Canyon does tie into the theme of Frontierland.
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    Re: Time to Send the Grand Canyon Diorama to Yesterland

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Emelius View Post
    My only gripe with the Grand Canyon is its location. It clashes with Tomorrowland, and Main Street. the two lands that connect it, and the Primeval World has nothing to do with the Grand Canyon, even though they try to make a connection through the narrative on the train, it is a bit far fetched.
    Obviously this is a matter of opinion, but when I am on the DLRR no matter what station I board it from, I never have thought anything was out of place or didn't fit. I see what you are saying but I just never had that problem. I don't think it clashes at all. To me the DLRR is it's own attraction and doesn't really need to tie in with any of the lands other than station theming.

    I suppose if you want to get technical a steam train shouldn't really even be in the world of Tomorrow the way you are saying the diorama clashes.

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    Re: Time to Send the Grand Canyon Diorama to Yesterland

    I'd love to see improvements but take it away....no way....screen are cool but will Transformers be a classic? I don't think so....people forget that physical sets just look more real to the human eye....as for some people not liking the music....well it's ten times better then modern hip hop songs...or another generic action movie sound track with lots of loud booms in it

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    Re: Time to Send the Grand Canyon Diorama to Yesterland

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Emelius View Post
    My only gripe with the Grand Canyon is its location. It clashes with Tomorrowland, and Main Street.
    It wasn't supposed to "connect" with any land. As others have noted, it's part of the railroad.

    Walt put it there specifically because he wanted a grand finale for the train ride. Which it does in spades.

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    Re: Time to Send the Grand Canyon Diorama to Yesterland

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve DeGaetano View Post
    It wasn't supposed to "connect" with any land. As others have noted, it's part of the railroad.

    Walt put it there specifically because he wanted a grand finale for the train ride. Which it does in spades.
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