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    Re: Does Disney's Monstrous Corprorate Greed destroy the magic of Christmas?

    Howdy Pards,

    Yep, it is kinda funny...on the one hand Disney puts on the biggest, brightest, sparkleiest, Christmas to be found anywhere...and then they turn around and totally destroy that wonderful Christmas feeling by charging a totally outlandish price for a cookie, or a cupcake? Or by charging extra for the annual Christmas parade...

    Back in the fifties and sixties there was never any question...but today, instead of projecting an image of caring about the holiday and about people, about true Christmas spirit...the Disney corporation is projecting an image of a cold, hard, money making machine that only pretends to care while attempting to drain every last penny from the pockets of families... The company appears to have lost it's heart...

    At no time of the rolling year is this more noticeable than at Christmastime.

    Caring about others...the young and the old, the rich and the poor...is an old fashioned idea I suppose. And, many of us old timers...well, we yearn for those good old days...

    There is an empty feeling folks get sometimes when a company you've loved and trusted for so many years suddenly starts charging you $5 for a small Mickey Mouse Christmas Cookie. Kinda like that feeling folks used to get at the old carnivals and side shows you know...that feeling of...well...robbery to put it bluntly...of being cheated...but worse than that...of discovering that someone you trusted...someone you loved...really doesn't care about you at all like you thought they did...all they are interested in is milking every last dollar they can from your pocket.

    Trust...love...that Christmas feeling sorta falls away...and what's left is the cold, hard, unfeeling, uncaring reality of out of control corporate greed.

    But...I have a feeling that Jiminy Cricket, Goofy, Donald, or Mickey really had nothing to do with this...instead people in business suits setting around a board room table somewhere looking at profit charts were behind it. Their only focus...increasing the bottom line...money, money, and more money. Certainly a sqeezing, wrenching, grasping, scraping, clutching, covetous sort of attitude...to be sure.

    Is that all there is to life? I sure don't think Walt Disney thought that way. And I tend to agree with ORDDU... "For those who care, we need to find ways to NOT get caught up in all the plastic, phony baloney that is tempting us to forget about what's really important in Life (And what's really important is integrity and love....)

    Keep the true spirit of Christmas in our hearts...and never let the cold-heartedness of others, individuals or corporations, impact that warm and wonderful glowing feeling that is the true magic of the season.

    Make some Christmas Cookies at home with your kids...make some other folks happy...
    sing a Christmas Carol...watch a great old Christmas movie...or dig out Charles Dicken's
    famous 1843 novel and read it once again... I've always loved it. "...and it was always said of him, that he knew how to keep Christmas well, if any man alive possessed the knowledge. May that be truly said of us, and all of us! And so, as Tiny Tim observed,
    God Bless Us, Every One!"

    It will give you hope.

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    Re: Does Disney's Monstrous Corprorate Greed destroy the magic of Christmas?

    On the plus side: I'd rather pay $10 for a treat that is handmade by CMs here in Anaheim using local resources, than $10 for an imported cheap trinket that will fall apart the second it leaves the park.

    On the negative side: Disney is a corporation. They're out to make money. Just like every mall with lights and a Santaland for kids, the ulterior motive at the holidays, and all year, is to get you into the stores to buy, buy, buy. It's become a retail holiday. A very materialistic one. In that way, Disney's no different from anyone else.

    Taking away the holiday party from employees? Another example of how at the heart of things, no matter what Walt intended originally, it's a cold corporate machine that sees its park employees as being expendable.

    Do I think it has to ruin the holiday? No. I'll admit I'm having a hard time knowing how hard the employees are working, not even to get their party.

    For the average guest, though? You can still go and enjoy the lights, enjoy the fireworks, enjoy the Jingle Jangle Jamboree, enjoy the parade. If any of those things are restricted to party guests, yes, it will destroy the magic, or at least, put a higher price on it. For now, though, it's there for all to enjoy. The things like the holiday treats are nice, but you can still enjoy the park without them, and just like any other time of year, you can set a budget for yourself when you walk through the gates.

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    Re: Does Disney's Monstrous Corprorate Greed destroy the magic of Christmas?

    I don't think a single company could ever destroy the magic of Christmas, family, friends, or any holiday. Disney long ago learned how to celebrate the season at its best, bringing warmth and joy to the hearts of many. It is simply unfortunate that the most recent Disney executives have forgotten that Disneyland was built with the intention as a place for family and friends to enjoy, explore, and be happy, not just as business. There is nothing wrong with making a profit, but modern businesses sometimes seem to forget that what makes them great is not their quarterly earnings or stock prices, but what their services mean to the people who buy them, and constantly repackaging and repricing years of tradition to its detriment in order to turn a large profit into an even larger one is almost never admirable.

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    Re: Does Disney's Monstrous Corprorate Greed destroy the magic of Christmas?

    If the price of a candy apple or cookie ruins the magic of Christmas for someone, they have much larger issues that are probably ruining Christmas (and most other days) than anything Disney could be blamed for.

    Yes, I agree that the prices of food and even admission are getting ridiculous, though they are obviously not restricted to only the rich. In fact, the majority of people purchasing these items are likely not "very rich".

    Unfortuantely, not everyone can have everything. Hopefully the magic of Christmas for most people does not rely on a purchase of any sort.

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    Re: Does Disney's Monstrous Corprorate Greed destroy the magic of Christmas?

    For a Disneyland "fan" website, there sure is a lot of criticism and resentment from a lot of people. I can't believe the negativity on this forum. I'm so tired of sifting through all of the Disneyland bashing threads to get to the fun and interesting ones. Seriously, do you people even go to Disneyland to have fun or to find new things to complain about? "Monsterous corporate greed?" You have got to be kidding. Do you know what it costs to maintain that place? Those $10 apples won't even cover the electric bill for IASW for a single day. Heck, probably not even a single hour. Not too mention thr BILLION dollars spent on Cars Land and Buena Vista street. I suppose Disney could stop with the constant rehabs and expansions and just run the place into the ground as long as everyone gets their treats for 50% less and perhaps lower ticket prices by a few dollars. Here's a thought, if you are dissatisfied withthe way the resort is run - don't go anymore. Save yourself the aggravation. But above all, please stop using Micechat as a soap box to rehash thes petty, tired, old complaints

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    Re: Does Disney's Monstrous Corprorate Greed destroy the magic of Christmas?

    The thing is, you have to first ask yourself what is Christmas about? Why do you celebrate it. There's the real problem, a lot of people have become very secular and forgotten the true meaning of Christmas. It's about remembering Christ. It's a religious holiday that gives people hope and joy. Even if you're not religious, it's about hope and joy. It's about the good things in the world. Those Christmas lights should be reminders that each person has in them good and should share that with people like the lights of a Christmas tree. You get out of Christmas what you are putting into it. If you are thinking that Christmas is too commercial or Disney has made it too corporate, then look for a way to do something good for someone, give a simple gift from the bottom of your heart. Like the little girl who gave Alice from the Mad T Party band one of those glowing ice cubes. That meant the world to the little girl to be able to do that, and to see Alice cherish it and say to her, "I'll keep it forever." Alice gave back to the little girl a moment of her time. We all can be grumpy and look for bad, but there is way too much good going on right in front of us that make us miss the moments we should cherish.

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    Re: Does Disney's Monstrous Corprorate Greed destroy the magic of Christmas?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wiggins View Post
    Disney's obvious corporate greed doesn't destroy the magic of Christmas, but like flocking on a tree it slaps a plaster of "pathetic" over its holiday offerings. From its outrageous prices for holiday treats to its shabby treatment of its employees, the holidays only highlight Disney's cold commercialism. When it comes to Christmas, the difference between Disney and the rest of the retail world is the hypocrisy of Disney claiming it cares about the warmth, heart and magic that it shills.
    Does anybody really think that the current Walt Disney Company "cares" about anything other than fleecing folks for as much as they possibly can? And they're in a great position, because they know their best customers will pay it, and defend them in the process.
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    Re: Does Disney's Monstrous Corprorate Greed destroy the magic of Christmas?

    Quote Originally Posted by Radiobarry View Post
    Does anybody really think that the current Walt Disney Company "cares" about anything other than fleecing folks for as much as they possibly can? And they're in a great position, because they know their best customers will pay it, and defend them in the process.
    I second the comment about does Disney really "care"... I mean, does any company looking for a profit really "care"? Most care about the bottom line, customer satisfaction, and their reputation; and really the latter two also come back to the bottom line.

    Makes more sense for people to defend what they willingly spend their money on than to complain about what they spend their money on, right?

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    Re: Does Disney's Monstrous Corprorate Greed destroy the magic of Christmas?

    Christmas is about spirit, joy, a birth, and myriad other wonderful things. But Disney is going to make a monsterous profit from Christmas and that would make them a prime example of a corporate greed monster.

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    Re: Does Disney's Monstrous Corprorate Greed destroy the magic of Christmas?

    I'm actually kind of glad that Disney food/ treat prices are too high. Those prices help me eat much healthier! I like to look at the treats, but then it's easy to walk away at those prices, not to mention the long lines to buy them. Not worth the money, time or calories!

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    Re: Does Disney's Monstrous Corprorate Greed destroy the magic of Christmas?

    Quote Originally Posted by ratoncitaloca View Post
    I'm actually kind of glad that Disney food/ treat prices are too high. Those prices help me eat much healthier! I like to look at the treats, but then it's easy to walk away at those prices, not to mention the long lines to buy them. Not worth the money, time or calories!
    Now that's positive thinking.

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    Re: Does Disney's Monstrous Corprorate Greed destroy the magic of Christmas?

    well...disney is following suit with what every other big company does out there...over-commercialize x-mas

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    Re: Does Disney's Monstrous Corprorate Greed destroy the magic of Christmas?

    Quote Originally Posted by misfits138 View Post
    For a Disneyland "fan" website, there sure is a lot of criticism and resentment from a lot of people. I can't believe the negativity on this forum. I'm so tired of sifting through all of the Disneyland bashing threads to get to the fun and interesting ones. Seriously, do you people even go to Disneyland to have fun or to find new things to complain about? "Monsterous corporate greed?" You have got to be kidding. Do you know what it costs to maintain that place? Those $10 apples won't even cover the electric bill for IASW for a single day. Heck, probably not even a single hour. Not too mention thr BILLION dollars spent on Cars Land and Buena Vista street. I suppose Disney could stop with the constant rehabs and expansions and just run the place into the ground as long as everyone gets their treats for 50% less and perhaps lower ticket prices by a few dollars. Here's a thought, if you are dissatisfied withthe way the resort is run - don't go anymore. Save yourself the aggravation. But above all, please stop using Micechat as a soap box to rehash thes petty, tired, old complaints
    I think Micechat is for ALL Disney fans to express their views on the parks, whether negative or positive. I think it is healthy to allow all viewpoints, as long as they are not attacking a particular person that uses the site or use profane language, etc. If a thread goes down a less than positive road for someone, (and it is clearly indicated in the title), then perhaps they probably should not read it if it will upset them. Perhaps they should stop using Micechat as a soap box to disallow opinions that are different from their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Infernoman View Post
    well...disney is following suit with what every other big company does out there...over-commercialize x-mas

    ...As I see it
    Agreed! It is tough to see stores with Christmas decorations put out along side the Halloween ones in September!
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    Re: Does Disney's Monstrous Corprorate Greed destroy the magic of Christmas?

    Quote Originally Posted by oddball View Post
    The thing is, you have to first ask yourself what is Christmas about? Why do you celebrate it. There's the real problem, a lot of people have become very secular and forgotten the true meaning of Christmas. It's about remembering Christ. It's a religious holiday that gives people hope and joy. Even if you're not religious, it's about hope and joy. It's about the good things in the world. Those Christmas lights should be reminders that each person has in them good and should share that with people like the lights of a Christmas tree. You get out of Christmas what you are putting into it. If you are thinking that Christmas is too commercial or Disney has made it too corporate, then look for a way to do something good for someone, give a simple gift from the bottom of your heart. Like the little girl who gave Alice from the Mad T Party band one of those glowing ice cubes. That meant the world to the little girl to be able to do that, and to see Alice cherish it and say to her, "I'll keep it forever." Alice gave back to the little girl a moment of her time. We all can be grumpy and look for bad, but there is way too much good going on right in front of us that make us miss the moments we should cherish.
    Beautifully put.

    Is the 'bottom line' the motivation of 'the suits' that run DLR? Yes. But does it have to ruin Christmas for us? NO!! In everything surrounding Christmas there is commercialism and greed, but there is also love and magic. Focus on the love and magic, which is what you already have; the love of friends and family, and the magic of the happiness you can create for others. That's Christmas!
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    Re: Does Disney's Monstrous Corprorate Greed destroy the magic of Christmas?

    Howdy Pards,

    Well, there sure seems to be a consensus of opinion...most people think as the Grinch thought after his heart grew three sizes that day...

    "Maybe Christmas he thought, doesn't come from a store. Maybe Christmas perhaps means a little bit more."

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