Where Nemo should be built

[Mr_Incredible]

Am I the only one who thinks that the new Nemo/ Submarine Ride is being placed in the wrong area of DL. If they don't change the borders and make the submarine lagoon part of Fantasyland, it would mean that the whole idea of theming, which I feel is what make Disneyland the greatest amusment park in the history of the world. The location of Nemo could have been used for much better things, but not for a Nemo ride!

So I got to think where would have been a better location for this new Nemo ride, and came up with a few options:

1- Put it where it is, but change the borders so it's now part of Fantasyland.

2- build it where the Casey Boats (I forget what it's called) is currently

3- Build it in the giant Paradise Pier lagoon (or whatever you call it) in DCA

So, I just thought these suggestion, because I think that the Tomorrowland is just because Disney is too cheap to move the submarines. I'm just wondering who came up with that stupid idea? (seems like one of the last bad ideas from Eisner's reign of terror).

[mattjbhs]

I agree that "Nemo" shouldn't be in tomorrowland, but it would be hard to have a show building anywhere else right now.

[Anders]

There is always the Motor Boat Cruise area that can be used for something else in the future. Not my original idea, but don't remember whose it was, but build something in the MBC area and then rename the Submarine Lagoon, MBC and Matterhorn area as it's own land.

But agreed, not really Tomorrowland. Then again, Paradise Pier Lagoon wouldn't work either since Finding Nemo is Austrailian, explain that one in the California theme that no longer is really a California theme.

[Motorboat Cruiser]

The biggest issue seems to be that the infrastructure is already in place at the current location for a submarine ride. Granted, they are altering it considerably but I assume they will be using the same track and route. Rebuilding that elsewhere would cost a lot of money. Also, moving the ride to either the MB or Storybookland location would require a serious amount of excavation. The current water is very shallow in those areas, certainly nowhere deep or wide enough for a submarine.

It might be a stretch, but if the technology that is used for the ride is advanced enough, perhaps it could be connected to Tomorrowland in that regard, as in new technology that will be used for rides in the future. Like I said, I realize that this stretches the theme of Tomorrowland a bit thin but it is a way to justify things.

Then again, when you think about it, what exactly did the old sub ride have to do with the future. Not too much as far as I can tell.

[pineapplewhipaddict]

Dude, call it a "transition".

But if I could, I'd place Matterhorn and the subs in their own land, along with a new ride in the motorboat cruise area.

[dsnyfnatic]

Originally Posted by Mr_Incredible

Am I the only one who thinks that the new Nemo/ Submarine Ride is being placed in the wrong area of DL. If they don't change the borders and make the submarine lagoon part of Fantasyland, it would mean that the whole idea of theming, which I feel is what make Disneyland the greatest amusment park in the history of the world. The location of Nemo could have been used for much better things, but not for a Nemo ride!

So I got to think where would have been a better location for this new Nemo ride, and came up with a few options:

1- Put it where it is, but change the borders so it's now part of Fantasyland.

2- build it where the Casey Boats (I forget what it's called) is currently

3- Build it in the giant Paradise Pier lagoon (or whatever you call it) in DCA

So, I just thought these suggestion, because I think that the Tomorrowland is just because Disney is too cheap to move the submarines. I'm just wondering who came up with that stupid idea? (seems like one of the last bad ideas from Eisner's reign of terror).

I'll address your numbers 2 and 3 first:

2- it would cost too much money to do this, the excavation, the construction, everything, it adds up for a ride this size. Plus, you would be removing two rides (storybook boats and casey jr train) and adding one, while leaving the lagoon empty (for now at least).

3- again, the costs would be insane, and if i'm not mistaken, the lagoon is fairly shallow, so there would have to be a lot of construction just to make them fit the subs ride. Plus, most of the subs ride as we know it is in that giant show building under autopia. you don't really have room for something like this in or around Paradise Pier.

in addition to this, if they were to rebuild the ride elsewhere with a new track and new subs, the subs would have to conform the modern disability laws, which means the rides would have to be wheelchair accessible. because it would take too long to load a wheelchair into a ride of this nature, it would render the ride pretty much impossible/irrational to create elsewhere, thus they have to use the current ride system and vehicles if they want to create a submarine ride. its not cheapness thats making them build the ride they way they are, its the desire to have a working submarine ride in the park (or any park for that matter, since i dont think we'll be seeing one built anywhere else, at least not in the forseeable future).

that said, i think the remapping of the boarder between Fantasyland and Tomorrowland is a great idea. Afterall, we have congressional redistricting all the time, this would be no different. the only problem i see with this is that the entrance and exit to the subs puts you right into the heart of Tomorrowland. So you would have to enter the ride in TL, ride it in FL, then exit back in TL, which would be a little awkward, although I'm sure they could figure out something that would work for this.

[MasterGracey]

If I were in control, I'd move the border of Fantasyland to encompass the Sublagoon as well. This isn't unheard of since the Matterhorn "moved" from Tomorrowland to Fantasyland as well.

Originally Posted by dsnyfnatic

the only problem i see with this is that the entrance and exit to the subs puts you right into the heart of Tomorrowland. So you would have to enter the ride in TL, ride it in FL, then exit back in TL, which would be a little awkward, although I'm sure they could figure out something that would work for this.

Yeah, thats a big problem, and probably the only reason why this attraction will remain in Tomorrowland - because of a mere technicality. I really dont see any reason why they couldnt re-route the entrance to the ride... probably because of budgets ... and you know those penny pushers up in TDA are sticklers!

[inav]

The matterhorns station alignment could allow for a land change because of the direction it is facing. The problem with the subs is that they are under the monorails which under no circumstances should ever switch lands as it is a mode of transportation for the future. most of us will probably never ever get to go on a real operational sub on a real mission unless we're in the navy or oceanographers. So the subs being in tl fits as it is something that the public may get to go on in the future but currently can't. The boblsleds could be in either land as most of us will never experience them unless we do it for sports or the olympics and the monster defiantely adds to fantasy so the bobsleds could be either land and because of there orientation i would sooner believe they were in fantasyland. The subs on the other hand because of that technicality have to stay in tl.

[painted windows]

Was the old sub lagoon really futuristic anyways???

[MasterGracey]

Originally Posted by painted windows

Was the old sub lagoon really futuristic anyways???

In my opinion from what I've seen in video clips and in photos, the subs were futuristic until they were painted yellow and the mermaids moved in (although their stay was brief).

[pineapplewhipaddict]

Originally Posted by MasterGracey

In my opinion from what I've seen in video clips and in photos, the subs were futuristic until they were painted yellow and the mermaids moved in (although their stay was brief).

I thought the mermaids were always there Unless you are talking about the girls that Disneyland hired to actually swim in the lagoon...

The sea serpent isn't all that futuristic in my opinion...but it made for something fun to look at!

Then again, nobody can really say anything about it, can they? We know more about space than we do of our own oceans, even to this day. The subs are futuristic in a sense that we'd be discovering places we have yet to on our own planet. Whatever we "think" might be there could either be deemed fantasy or reality...we won't know until we get there.

[tloolgb]

The subs were always futureistic (ish) because how many people here ride a submarine on a daily basis? Show of hands please.

It's still not common. But once down the ride has always had a fantasy element...I mean Atlantis Sea Serpents and Mermaids don't exist...but have always been apart of the ride. So now its going to be just like the old ride...futureistic capability...fantasy scenes...just now you'll have talking crabs and fish with mermaids serpents and Atlantis.

[9oldmen]

It's in all probability, too late for this, and it might not work, but if they were to relocate the subs to Fantasyland in conjunction with the "Nemo" makeover, I might have liked to have seen them retain the old track/lagoon/showbuilding, but relocate the loading area to the Fantasyland side. Like over where the old motor boat queue area is. (Fantasia Gardens?). I mean, use that area for overflow queue. I know with the Matterhorn there, that narrow area between the mountain and the lagoon already can get pretty congested, but it's just a thought.

[PragmaticIdealist]

"Finding Nemo" is neither timeless nor a classic, and the setting is far too contemporary for Disneyland. So, hopefully, this overlay will be rethought once the novelty wears-off.

Having said that, several people will be happy to have the attraction back, and the way that the effects are achieved is of interest to me, personally. So, the infrastructure is, at least, there to develop a more appropriate show in the future.

The same could probably be said for Buzz Lightyear Astro Blasters. The omnimover system has the potential to be used in an entirely new application in the future, as well.

Until then, I maintain that a simple overlay to the Frontierland Shootin' Exposition using Woody, as he is depicted in the story-within-a-story, "Woody's Round-up", is necessary in order to create symmetry with Buzz Lightyear Astro Blasters.

The small shop next door, additionally, lends itself to offering a selection of designs featuring Woody. So, I would be satisfied if Disneyland T.P.O. restricted the character to these two locations and didn't use him anywhere else.

[PragmaticIdealist]

Originally Posted by 9oldmen

I know with the Matterhorn there, that narrow area between the mountain and the lagoon already can get pretty congested, but it's just a thought.

One of the reasons the visual design of the submarine attraction that was part of the West Edmonton Mall appeals to me is because the bridges that span the submersibles route create a fanciful effect.

The Submarine Lagoon at Disneyland would also benefit from the addition of a couple of bridges.