Bye bye. I'm glad that one less person will be at disneyland next time I go.
For me, the Disney parks offer a few things I don’t get other places for anywhere near the same value.
1. Social activities – I have met so many wonderful friends through MiceChat events, other unofficial events, and even vacations with friends who bring along their other Disney-loving friends. This has been the easiest way for me to make new friends and meet new people.
2. Recreation – There are a ton of attractions at the park. Not just rides, but also shows, parades, theming, etc. I love the fact that Disney invests so much in “art”… from the singing groups and dancers in the parades, to the intricate details painted on signs and on murals. I can go see a local show here for free, or $10, or $100, or $200… but I can’t get an annual pass for whenever-you-want access; I love that there is usually something to see.
3. Dining – There is nothing revolutionary in and of itself, but there are so many great options, grabbing a quick bite or enjoying a long meal at Disney is something I enjoy. Oh, and I love the upscale dining at Carthay and the ability to enjoy it in my shorts.
4. Business study – I am fascinated by the ways Disney has created various “formulas” to illicit emotion, spur purchases, provide customer service, and other operating procedures. I am able to make better business decisions by studying others, and there is lots to observe in the resorts.
5. Leisure – I love people watching, and Disney has some great spots to do it.
So Disneyland for me is more like a social or country club. My major problem is that I live 350 miles away! When you compare an annual pass to a membership that you purchase at a club, plus monthly dues or minimums, it is a great deal.
If there are 80,000 (just throwing out a number) in the park, does it really matter if they are there on APs, hopper tickets, or whatever? Let's say, hypothetically, that all APs are gone, all day tickets are more expensive, and you still have 80,000 in the park that day. The crowds are going to be just as awful as they were when half of those were APs - and as mentioned, if everyone is on a day ticket, they're going to be more determined to stay, regardless of the crowds.
Bodies are bodies, and they're still going to be making the park crowded to the point of being unpleasant, making lines long, et al. It's been brought up that some of the worst times of the year, in terms of capacity, are the times when all APs except Premium are blocked out. The SoCal and Deluxe APs aren't there at Christmas, for instance, and they're not there this weekend...so IMHO it's not fair to always assume they're the source of overcrowding.
Disneyland is more of a local destination than a vacation spot, a la WDW, so you're less likely to see the situation of "poor family who is traveling can't get into the park."
Also, especially with NextGen coming in, it might be possible for people to reserve their admission dates/times with Disneyland, and have those counted toward the capacity numbers (much in the way that some museums make a certain number of reservations per hour and allow guests to book their times in advance). If you have a family coming from out of town who is reserving their Disneyland tickets in advance, they could also hold their park dates.
As we have seen though, that isn't the only way. The other way is to raise the price so that people have to adjust the frequency with which they visit. The other way is of course to increase capacity.
Ruining a family's vacation and making them waste hundreds or thousands of dollars is not a "real" solution. That family would likely never go back to any Disney resort ever again after a situation of that magnitude. Also, I think the whole point of this exercise is to alter the dynamic of the resort. The mentality there is that Disney realizes that it doesn't need to offer discounts to fill the park so it isn't going to. It wasn't ever really created to be a local hangout. Even though the local crowd is large, that doesn't mean that those spending more to come to the park should be ignored and compromised.
Raising the price is not a solution. I believe success is based on capacity not ticket sales. If they can sustain a packed park for 98% percent of the year...
Also, staycations attribute to a majority of attendance due to recent economic situations. Not that it's a bad thing. If we lived closer to the park, we'd have a staycation every weekend!
there are a whole lot of Disneyland lovers and that is terrific.
^Again, the only thing that changes is the frequency with which people can visit. Sure, people can no longer go every week.... That is the harsh reality of any scheme we can think of to keep the crowding down.
Unless you can only just barely afford to go once a year, you are not being priced out of Disneyland. AP holders just might have to get used to the idea that they can only go once every few months instead of every week.
Interesting discussion. Here is my perspective. Currently, I do have a premium AP. I was planning on renewing prior to the price increase, but now I have not decided whether I will or won't. I live out of state, so I do have to factor in hotel and airfare. Prior to the price increase, I could basically get two yearly trips in for the price of one. Now, I haven't done the number crunching yet, but I still think I can do that but not as comfortably as before. Personally, I do wish that Disney would offer a pass of some sort geared for "out of state" folks because we naturally are going to be using our passes somewhat differently from how locals use theirs. Perhaps a pass good for unlimited visits during a certain month or season. If that's not possible, Disney could at least offer park hoppers for six or seven days. That said, if I were a local, I definitely wouldn't have a problem paying the $650 because I think that would be a bargain given how frequently I would be going to the park. :D
^If the ID checks at the gate prove effective, I hope that they do indeed bring back the longer passes.
In the meantime, note that you can go to a ticket booth and add days to a park-hopper for around $20-$30.
I still find the Bias against AP comical.
I bought an AP so I could go ANYTIME I WANTED. That's the point of the program. You certainly make it what you can when you buy it.
We'd be very disappointed and would be outraged if they restricted an unrestricted AP, while charging the same or MORE.
The AP program is perfect for anyone who visits the park more than 3 days a year. Like my wife and I do. Even though we live out of state, We have, within the first 7 months of holding our AP's, have been in the park almost 12 days. We have relatives in SoCal, but we have opted more than a couple of times, to stay at a local hotel. also, Not every day was a full day. A few have done short days, ride a ride or three, have lunch and buy some fun stuff.
It has also allowed us to, on a whim, while in SoCal, jump into the parks just because we could. Which is another reason we made the purchase.
Any restrictions or negative edits to the AP program would not fare well. Sure, those who seem to march in the ANTI-AP parade will be trumpeting, but they would soon be paying for it in an up charged ticket price.
the program works well for the park, works well for the AP holders and overall, everyone.
Bias based on one's own self-interest is also comical, but quite frequent in discussions about the AP Program. I just count the number of I's" in a post.
Again, I ask: if all 80,000 in the park had day tickets, and not APs, would it be any more pleasant than having 80,000 guests of mixed ticket sales? I don't think so, because the lines for Space Mountain would still be 120 minutes, regardless.
Letting advance ticket purchasers reserve their spots at the park would solve the "ruin the vacation!" issue and make it possible to lower capacity. Disney already recognizes that at some points, the park gets too crowded and they have to close the gates. They just need to lower that threshold.
I'm not sure the dynamic really needs to be changed, either. There seems to be a difference of opinion as to what Disneyland should mean to visitors. There's no reason, IMHO, that Disneyland should not be available to locals, or that they should not be able to visit when they wish. Like it or not, those locals are the bread and butter, and if Disney alienates them and they leave, they WON'T have enough out of town visitors to sustain themselves for the long term. It's exactly why every museum, theme park, et al out there has a membership or pass available for purchase. Those locals help.
The holidays drive up demand from everyone during those times so people will come anyway. Its a false parallel.
In any case, I don't know why my point continues to be linked to a segregation of the AP population. I just stated that broad price increases are called for across the board because demand for the park is high and price increases will effectively control the frequency that people visit. Doesn't matter who is visiting or why. Everyone will come a little less.