What they are doing is harmless and not against the park rules, so they do not distract or bother me at all. And with the whole trash thing; how would you know for sure if they intentionally littered when they could have possibly cleaned up the mess after their pin trading session. It's not like they're doing drugs or yelling curse words in front of everyone. I would seriously get over it.
of its fitting in with the theme im fine
You do realize you are playing right in to Disney's hands right? Their more or less stated intent is to get people to not renew. Maybe you should all renew just to spite them?Originally Posted by DisneyIPresume
You also do realize that the pin traders are a loyal fan base right? And you also do realize that Disney views the loyal fan base as those who return, not those who quit and stop coming right?Perhaps when the loyal fan-base is gone then the pin traders will slowly go away too. Until then you can expect those couple of areas of Disneyland to continue looking like the OC Swap Meet...
Just checking.
Our revels now are ended. These our actors, As I foretold you, were all spirits and Are melted into air, into thin air: And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, The cloud-capp'd towers, the gorgeous palaces, The solemn temples, the great globe itself, Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff As dreams are made on, and our little life Is rounded with a sleep. mycroft16 on Twitter
I don't base economic decisions upon my desire to spite anyone or anything, but even if I did, $3245 for my family is a lot more than I would ever pay to spite a corporation.
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I see nothing wrong with this. LOL, if they're "gruff-looking ruffians", then so am I because I dress the same way when I visit the parks!This is no big deal.
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I find this post odd. I am a pin trader I sit at those table sometimes. I am not sure how that little corner can affect anyone. We are there to trade pins, meet people, and have fun. no different than anyone else in the park. In fact I have made some childrens day helping them complete their sets but trading them one of mine. We are trading collectables and trying to complete our own collections. Not bothering anyone really.
Disney also encourages this practice by giving us designated areas to do this. Your other example of trading sandwiches would violate bringing in outside food into the park. And for your information Pin trading is entering it;s 14th year so it's been ok for a while now.
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Pin traders are like any other group of park guests. For every nice guest in an ECV, there is one cussing out a CM for not letting them skip a fully accessible queue. For every well behaved teen, there is one giving the middle finger on the Splash Mountain ride photo. For every respectful Disney fanatic, there is one with his iPad on during dark rides and yelling out every time he finds a hidden Mickey. For every pin trader that trades a child a rare pin to make them happy even though the kid only had fairly common pin, there's a pin trader that will pull out a magnifying glass and reject any pins offered to him based on some tiny imperfection.
That being said, it'd be nice if Disney had a rule about the number of things you can bring to the park to trade. Maybe one book or folder of pins per person. Pin aren't that bad since they're fairly small, but the Vinylmation people in DtD can look tacky with their Tupperware boxes full of figures. In their defence, despite really pushing Vinyls for the past few year, Disney does not offer them a trading area or an official trading night like they do for pins.
This thread is very entertaining for a ruffian like me!
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Really interesting. Last summer I was at the park with a couple friends who were going around trading vinalmations for a friend. At the time I thought it was kind of fun. We happened to be outside the trading pins in Frontierland and my friend Katie started talking to a pin trader, who was dressed as anyone else in the park, if not better. He was so polite and answered question and gave some insight as to how to start and what to look for. Pin trading has never been for me, though I do look at some pins and might in the future pick some up. I just don't see it as being a problem or killing the Disney Magic. If it creates interactions between guests, and makes someone happy and is approved by the park. Then what really is the problem? Ruffians or making the park look bad? *shrug* Are they any more ruffian looking than someone who plops down for a parade, Fantasmic, or better yet to rest their feet for a while? If I didn't know what they were doing, I wouldn't care. I usually walk by them and just smile. They are there to share a bit of friendly Disney Magic with people who want to interact with them. What kills the Disney Magic is people's poor attitudes about others in the park, because they think it's ruining the ideal atmosphere. What changes are people's attitudes that can't accept change and get offended by change. I think there are more important things to worry about than a group of people who enjoy Disneyland and pins and are there to make others happy, well besides pin-trading haters.
Its not a matter of being right or wrong. Its a matter of a difference of opinion. When you are working with opinions, there is no right or wrong. And after all, we are a DISCUSSION board, where people talk about different things and very frequently express different OPINIONS about topics. It just because one side seems to dominate doesn't make it any more right than the opinion of the other side. It just means there are more of that other side expressing themselves. But as always both sides need to respect the other...
I've seen this happen for at less 3 to 4 years now I use to collecte Pins to and I have no issue on what there doing. So it doesn't bouther me one bit.
My post was sarcasm. And rather absurd to boot. That's what it costs me to go to Disneyland as well.
Our revels now are ended. These our actors, As I foretold you, were all spirits and Are melted into air, into thin air: And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, The cloud-capp'd towers, the gorgeous palaces, The solemn temples, the great globe itself, Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff As dreams are made on, and our little life Is rounded with a sleep. mycroft16 on Twitter
Its not about right or wrong since this is an opinion, but at the center of it all, these are people. Just people trying to have a fun time doing what they love in a place they love. And I'm sorry but the way you have stated a number of your opinions has come off extremely rude.
And yes DL is supposed to be idealized, but never perfect. Nothing is perfect. But if outside food, a couple of Disneyland shopping bags(not trash btw), people willing to wait hours for a good show, and locals who somehow create a "locals-only carnival-type attraction" are enough to ruin your "respite from the outside world" then I have to wonder if you really ever had it in the first place. The magic of DL is a 2 way street. They can only provide so much. The rest comes from you and opening your heart and inner child to accept what disney has to offer.
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That is a little excessive.
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Last week, I went to Disneyland. At the bag-check area, the person in front of me had a backpack FILLED with food and drinks. They got right through. I saw people on the ground waiting for the parade with KFC boxes. It seems there are LOTS of violations of this particular rule.
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Criticizing is not attacking. But I am in the minority for being aware that you can object to something without "attacking" it. We live in a society where a negative comment is always an attack.
This sort of pin trading -- laying stuff out on a table or, in the DDD area, setting up a blanket and hawking your wares -- has NOT always been OK. It has only really recently gotten to the point where the average park goer would notice it.
But I suppose standards are slipping all around us, not just at Disneyland.
I sincerely apologize to anyone who read the tongue-in-cheek reference to "ruffians" the wrong way or who felt that my observation that letting people basically loiter in the park and trade stuff seems very un-Disney. Some people understood what I meant. Most seemed not to.
I've had an annual pass and/or a Silver Pass for years, and personally would never, ever dream of violating rules at Disneyland. I want everyone to have a good time. I pick up errant, random trash, I get irritated when I see messy/trashy queue areas, I compliment good Cast Members at City Hall, I smile at kids and even have bought one or two meals for others without saying anything. I believe in the Disney Magic.
I also believe that one of the reasons we all share a collective view of what that magic is, is because of the Disneyland we remember visiting in the 1970s, 1980s and through the mid-1990s, when Disney was often mocked for its strident views but everyone wanted to emulate them. Now, it seems, they want to emulate everyone else, and the idea that we can't criticize Disney (or other guests) for not living up to those high standards seems a symptom of the greater problem, more than anything.
---------- Post added 11-26-2012 at 11:08 PM ----------
Thank you, Gino. Ruffians are not all bad, but mostly far too gruff for me. Just see my original photo if you want to know what I mean.
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