Innovations Closing in Feb 2013

[Ride Warrior]

Hope Screamscape is right. The sooner Innoventions is put out of it's misery, the better. It's time to march forward to a replacing it with an e-ticket ride.

[calsig31]

I think I'm more surprised they're demolishing the actual building, thought they were going to at least keep it and re-purpose it somehow.

And, since this discussion would inevitably turn into an "Is Marvel appropriate for the parks?" thread, Iron Man is a great character to promote better and clean living through technology, as long as they dont make him a drunk.

Funny you mention Wall-E though Calsig, since he's a product of society gone wrong. Is he the type of character that we'd want to represent the "World of Tomorrow"? A robot designed to clean up a world that was destroyed by waste and consumerism?

That's exactly why I think Iron Man is a better fit. Tomorrowland has always been about a better and brighter future for mankind. Iron Man represents that with his clean sustainable energy.

Wall E, on the other hand, portrays a dark dystopian future where the Earth is uninhabitable and covered in trash. That is completely counter to the original vision of the land.

[TCadillac]

If it does close I just hope they start working on that area right away. I don't want it to be another eyesore sitting there for a seemingly eternity like it did after America Sings closed down and Innoventions opened up.

Amen. It seemed like this was up for 10 years of my childhood. I always thought man if it's taking this long it's going to be better than Space Mountain. But alas.....

[biggsworth]

I am quite ok with America Sings staying in yesterland. I was never a fan. Also it wasn't very tomorrowlandish in theme at all. Like it or not Iron Man fits in TL a lot better than America Sings.

[Darth Goofy]

It would be phenomenal if they can tie some innovation that gleans toward what tomorrowland was once about "Progress/advancement of technologies."

[biggsworth]

Agreed, no Marvel, unless they can tie some innovation that gleans toward what tomorrowland was once about "Progress/advancement of technologies." Not Sci-Fi!!

I always wonder if how Star Wars fans which I am can be so against Marvel in the parks. Don't take offense Darth Goofy you aren't the only one. A lot of times Star Wars and Indiana Jones get free passes but marvel is not ok. To me they are all the same. IMO if it's a good attraction and tied in correctly it's all good no matter what the subject matter is. I would welcome any character in the proper setting to help drive an attractions theme. Iron man with stark industires isn't only about weapons but they also try to improve on the way of life for the future. This message can definetly be applied to TL. Much like the way NASA in the past helped create items we use in our homes etc.

[lady3jane]

I'd rather they keep it open until they're ready to do something with it. We go there to cool off during hot summer afternoons. The ac is great and you can stay there as long as you want. It's like a giant rest stop! The only drawback is no restrooms.

[explodingboy]

I always wonder if how Star Wars fans which I am can be so against Marvel in the parks. Don't take offense Darth Goofy you aren't the only one. A lot of times Star Wars and Indiana Jones get free passes but marvel is not ok. To me they are all the same. IMO if it's a good attraction and tied in correctly it's all good no matter what the subject matter is. I would welcome any character in the proper setting to help drive an attractions theme. Iron man with stark industires isn't only about weapons but they also try to improve on the way of life for the future. This message can definetly be applied to TL. Much like the way NASA in the past helped create items we use in our homes etc.

Above all it's a matter of opinion, but I understand where you're coming from. I was born in the 90's and frequented the park a lot during that same era. Star Tours and Indiana Jones have always been there so growing up I had no choice but to accept them. Not to mention I am fan of both of the franchises, so it wasn't hard.

On the flip side of that coin, people that grew up without those attractions may see them the same way some of us see a Marvel based attraction.

I also think we all would like to see an original attraction that isn't tied to a movie franchise open in the park. So adding more movie tie ins might also be why some people are so against it. Just my two cents.

[Disneytwins]

The movie tie-ins are getting quite annoying. I agree with that.

[mratigan]

^yes they are
but in the end they are about getting money so they can put in more merchandise

[fearmeloveme]

I know the majority of users are happy it's going to be gone, but I'm really sad. Being a 90s kid, I never had America Sings or Carousel of Progress. Innoventions was where most of my early memories in the park were. It was always exciting for me to watch people try out a Segway, play all of these futuristic computer games, and observe the technology of the future all while being in such a magical Disney environment.

On my last trip, most of Health U was down, Xbox games were everywhere, and the pre-show and Tom Morrow were gone. Watching it go from Innoventions to a giant, rotating Microsoft advertisement makes me sad, but I'm excited to see what comes next.

[sbk1234]

I am quite ok with America Sings staying in yesterland. I was never a fan. Also it wasn't very tomorrowlandish in theme at all. Like it or not Iron Man fits in TL a lot better than America Sings.

For those like me who aren't all that familiar with the Marvel universe, how does Iron Man fit into Tomorrowland? I'm not being sarcastic. I really don't know anything about this comic except it's a superhero. Thanks for explaining it to me.

[biggsworth]

For those like me who aren't all that familiar with the Marvel universe, how does Iron Man fit into Tomorrowland? I'm not being sarcastic. I really don't know anything about this comic except it's a superhero. Thanks for explaining it to me.

So I am not a Iron Man expert so I will point you to the wiki page on Iron Man/Tony Stark. I read a handful of his comics in the 90s when i should have been studying high school There is a point in the Iron Man lore when he realizes that making weapons isn't the only thing he wants to do he actually changes his outlook on life and tries to help humanity with his inventions. If you haven't watch the two movies they did a good job at summarizing the comics that I read when I was younger. Even his dad is shown in a Walt Disney like light when he talks about future inventions and their impact on life. This can be seen in Iron Man 2 and Captain America the movies.

Here is a wiki page for the Iron Man/Tony Star lore

http://marvel.com/universe/Iron_Man_(Anthony_Stark)

One way they could do this is to have a queue that is theme out to the Stark Expo which is sort of a worlds fair that Tony Stark throws to promote new inventions. There are both military inventions and civilian inventions. In the queue they can show off new inventions throughout it and of course in order to make a thrill ride if that's the aim there would be a antagonist who would come in and then iron man would ask for our help because this person or thing stole some of his technology and it could be global threatening.


I know some people will only concentrate on the drunk Tony Stark and say he's not a good Disney character or kid friendly but obviously that side of him wouldn't be portrayed in the attraction in a dark demeanor. Do we ever bring up the fact Darth Vader kills a lot of people...No we don't and he's in the park.

[calsig31]

So I am not a Iron Man expert so I will point you to the wiki page on Iron Man/Tony Stark. I read a handful of his comics in the 90s when i should have been studying high school There is a point in the Iron Man lore when he realizes that making weapons isn't the only thing he wants to do he actually changes his outlook on life and tries to help humanity with his inventions. If you haven't watch the two movies they did a good job at summarizing the comics that I read when I was younger. Even his dad is shown in a Walt Disney like light when he talks about future inventions and their impact on life. This can be seen in Iron Man 2 and Captain America the movies.

Here is a wiki page for the Iron Man/Tony Star lore

http://marvel.com/universe/Iron_Man_(Anthony_Stark)

One way they could do this is to have a queue that is theme out to the Stark Expo which is sort of a worlds fair that Tony Stark throws to promote new inventions. There are both military inventions and civilian inventions. In the queue they can show off new inventions throughout it and of course in order to make a thrill ride if that's the aim there would be a antagonist who would come in and then iron man would ask for our help because this person or thing stole some of his technology and it could be global threatening.


I know some people will only concentrate on the drunk Tony Stark and say he's not a good Disney character or kid friendly but obviously that side of him wouldn't be portrayed in the attraction in a dark demeanor. Do we ever bring up the fact Darth Vader kills a lot of people...No we don't and he's in the park.

This is an excellent post summarizing Iron Man and his fit for Tomorrowland. I will just add two things:

1. In Avengers he was promoting clean self-sustaining energy as the wave of the future and one of the key plot points of the movie was the tower he used as the prototype.

2. In regard to drunk Tony, there were plenty of other Disney characters besides Iron Man that have been portrayed as drinkers, Lampy and Hogie in Pete's Dragon, Dumbo, several characters in Beauty and the Beast...

[k_peek_2000]

So I am not a Iron Man expert so I will point you to the wiki page on Iron Man/Tony Stark. I read a handful of his comics in the 90s when i should have been studying high school There is a point in the Iron Man lore when he realizes that making weapons isn't the only thing he wants to do he actually changes his outlook on life and tries to help humanity with his inventions. If you haven't watch the two movies they did a good job at summarizing the comics that I read when I was younger. Even his dad is shown in a Walt Disney like light when he talks about future inventions and their impact on life. This can be seen in Iron Man 2 and Captain America the movies.

Here is a wiki page for the Iron Man/Tony Star lore

http://marvel.com/universe/Iron_Man_(Anthony_Stark)

One way they could do this is to have a queue that is theme out to the Stark Expo which is sort of a worlds fair that Tony Stark throws to promote new inventions. There are both military inventions and civilian inventions. In the queue they can show off new inventions throughout it and of course in order to make a thrill ride if that's the aim there would be a antagonist who would come in and then iron man would ask for our help because this person or thing stole some of his technology and it could be global threatening.


I know some people will only concentrate on the drunk Tony Stark and say he's not a good Disney character or kid friendly but obviously that side of him wouldn't be portrayed in the attraction in a dark demeanor. Do we ever bring up the fact Darth Vader kills a lot of people...No we don't and he's in the park.

It seems that people just choose to be very unopened-minded when it comes to Marvel in the parks. It's a shame, if they actually took the time to look into the Marvel universe they would see Iron Man, and Marvel's vast potential. Does every Marvel character belong in the parks? Of coarse not, but there are some darn good ones that do.