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    Re: Tom Staggs Says -- "It Can't Just Be About Nostalgia"

    on the contrary, it is (almost) all about nostalgia. from Main Street USA to the Mark Twain, from Pirates of The Caribbean to Dumbo, from Ariel's Undersea Adventure to Cars Land. nostalgia is what makes it work. imho 20 acres for two new rides isn't a very clever use of resources, although it was certainly time to say goodbye to "Toon Town".

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    Re: Tom Staggs Says -- "It Can't Just Be About Nostalgia"

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    Re: Tom Staggs Says -- "It Can't Just Be About Nostalgia"

    Quote Originally Posted by ericg View Post
    That's not true. It's only true if you insist that real estate in the park cannot be re-purposed for other uses, so once a space is a ride it must forever be a ride.

    The truth is the Snow White ride has been replaced by the Little Mermaid ride or you could say it will be replaced the Seven Dwarfs ride when that opens. You're not losing a ride for a meet and greet.

    However, I think a valid point is that meet and greets with the characters are very popular with the demographic Fantasyland is after. Kids love meeting characters and the lines prove that point.

    Nothing should be replacing anything, I think, is what most folks here are arguing. "New" Fantasyland should be completely new. Expand and see how things play out before replacing the old.

    Meet & Greets are popular because the guests have NO choice now. This isn't the past where meeting a character was completely random and part of the magic. Now it's completely scripted into your schedule with no guarantee of them being open later; thus guests grudgingly wait in those lines to get that "memory". But there is no real memory anymore, just a photograph. When I look at my old photos with characters, I still remember the story that went with it. "Oh that's when Big Bad Wolf came up from behind and stole our slushee and pretended to eat it! Remember that?" Now the magic is manufactured. "Remember when you met 'Tangled'?" "Yes, we waited an hour and a half and the thief guy left right before we got to the front." They don't even know their names... just the brand.

    Magic Kingdom is ginormous compared to Disneyland with plenty of room to fill in the cracks. Having two Snow White attractions isn't redundant and it's faulted argument these days when you have multiple Toy Story attractions. In Disneyland we have multiple Alice in Wonderland attractions, multiple Sleeping Beauty attractions, multiple Dumbo attractions, multiple Pinocchio attractions, and entire lands for Bugs Life and Cars.


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    Re: Tom Staggs Says -- "It Can't Just Be About Nostalgia"

    Quote Originally Posted by Coheteboy View Post
    ...Meet & Greets are popular because the guests have NO choice now. This isn't the past where meeting a character was completely random and part of the magic. Now it's completely scripted into your schedule with no guarantee of them being open later; thus guests grudgingly wait in those lines to get that "memory". But there is no real memory anymore, just a photograph. When I look at my old photos with characters, I still remember the story that went with it. "Oh that's when Big Bad Wolf came up from behind and stole our slushee and pretended to eat it! Remember that?" Now the magic is manufactured. "Remember when you met 'Tangled'?" "Yes, we waited an hour and a half and the thief guy left right before we got to the front." They don't even know their names... just the brand. ...
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    Re: Tom Staggs Says -- "It Can't Just Be About Nostalgia"

    An excellent post, Coheteboy.

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    Re: Tom Staggs Says -- "It Can't Just Be About Nostalgia"

    Good job Coheteboy.
    I remember a time when in the waiting room for CBJ, Winnie the Pooh and his accompanying CM came out of a door and this little girl, couldn't have been more than 4 years old, let this scream out and locked on to Winnie's leg and hung on for dear life as he started walking. That is magic, unlike standing in line for an hour so the Photopass folks can take a staged photo for your purchase.
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    Re: Tom Staggs Says -- "It Can't Just Be About Nostalgia"

    “It can’t just be about nostalgia,” Tom Staggs, chairman of Walt Disney Parks and Resorts


    The quote above is proof that the Suit n' Ties @ the Walt Disney Co. are still ignorant post Eisner Era (if Roy Disney was still alive? He would be ripping Tom Staggs a new a h @ l e - which Mr Staggs rightfully deserves for his inaccurate statement). Nostalgia may not be all of it, but it is certainly an important part of it (especially when it comes to my Disney Theme Park experience!


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    Re: Tom Staggs Says -- "It Can't Just Be About Nostalgia"

    Quote Originally Posted by Coheteboy View Post
    Nothing should be replacing anything, I think, is what most folks here are arguing. "New" Fantasyland should be completely new. Expand and see how things play out before replacing the old.
    Like I had said before though, the decision to close the Snow White was probably made without regard to the expansion. Sometimes rides just get old and without guest traffic they can't justify the cost of keeping it open.

    Closing unpopular rides is part of the business
    It has to happen. It happened in Walt's time and it will continue to happen as long as Disneyland stays open. You don't have to like it and you don't have to be happy about it, but at least you can understand why.

    Meet & Greets are popular because the guests have NO choice now. This isn't the past where meeting a character was completely random and part of the magic.
    That's a byproduct of their success unfortunately. I rember the rough transition period a few years back when the nice entertainment folks would bring out characters into a walkway and stop all the traffic trying to get past. The crowds would gather, there would be no organized line, folks would get angry and the experience was ruined. As long as the parks are super busy at all times and the crowds remain dense, there is no logic in trying to perform random meet n greets.

    As someone who personally finds no enjoyment in the characters at the park, I prefer the static meet n greets. It keeps the characters out of the way.

    Magic Kingdom is ginormous compared to Disneyland with plenty of room to fill in the cracks.
    That's probably more reason why folks were not riding the Snow White ride... there were other things, more exciting things to do.

    It seems more folks are just angry out of the principal of taking out an attraction without really looking at the issue: that the snow white white was one of the least popular.

    I would much rather they close the unpopular rides, save the money and keep the parks in business, than end up going bankrupt. I would rather have a park to enjoy than no park at all. Save the money and put it into things that people enjoy and will come back for. That's the epitome of Walt's philosophy on Disneyland. Make sure people are having fun.

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    Re: Tom Staggs Says -- "It Can't Just Be About Nostalgia"

    Quote Originally Posted by MrLiver View Post
    As someone who personally finds no enjoyment in the characters at the park, I prefer the static meet n greets. It keeps the characters out of the way.
    Count me in on this... the only good thing about the characters in my eyes is that they create distractions and draw away people from other attractions.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrLiver View Post
    Magic Kingdom is ginormous compared to Disneyland with plenty of room to fill in the cracks.
    That's probably more reason why folks were not riding the Snow White ride... there were other things, more exciting things to do.
    That's definitely NOT the case. The Magic Kingdom definitely suffers from a LACK of attractions, not a surplus. That's one of the reasons nothing ever gets a decent rehab; there's no slack, as there aren't really enough attractions to take anything offline.

    Take Disneyland, remove half the attractions, add twice the people and 400 times the humidity... that's the Magic Kingdom.

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    Re: Tom Staggs Says -- "It Can't Just Be About Nostalgia"

    Quote Originally Posted by MrLiver View Post
    I would much rather they close the unpopular rides, save the money and keep the parks in business, than end up going bankrupt. I would rather have a park to enjoy than no park at all.
    Those are false either-or choices that have nothing to do with the Disney Corporation replacing a classic ride with a character brand Meet-and-Greet. Pure and simple, closing Snow White is a continuation of the Eisner-era business philosophy of increasing profits by closing rides and restaurants, replacing unique merchandise with generic junk, minimizing maintenance, slashing employee training and pay, and turning the Parks into marketing malls for Disney-owned-and-acquired brands: a philosophy that is being continued by Tom Staggs, Eisner's longtime Chief Financial Officer and current head of Disney Parks.


    Quote Originally Posted by MrLiver View Post
    That's the epitome of Walt's philosophy on Disneyland. Make sure people are having fun.
    That is indeed the philosophy of Walt's Disneyland. Too bad it's not the philosophy of today's Disney Parks, which is "Make sure people are spending money, make sure they're having brands advertised to them at every turn, and make sure we're maximizing profits by offering less and charging more."
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    Re: Tom Staggs Says -- "It Can't Just Be About Nostalgia"

    Is there some kind of data published somewhere that shows there was a decrease in ridership at Snow White's Scary Adventures? Because a lot of people in this thread seem to be assuming there was,and I've never seen or heard of that data. And that assumption isn't borne out by my own experience.

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    Re: Tom Staggs Says -- "It Can't Just Be About Nostalgia"

    Quote Originally Posted by Coheteboy View Post
    Magic Kingdom is ginormous compared to Disneyland with plenty of room to fill in the cracks. Having two Snow White attractions isn't redundant and it's faulted argument these days when you have multiple Toy Story attractions. In Disneyland we have multiple Alice in Wonderland attractions, multiple Sleeping Beauty attractions, multiple Dumbo attractions, multiple Pinocchio attractions, and entire lands for Bugs Life and Cars.
    In fairness, both Snow White rides seem, at least partially, to be dark rides.

    Disneyland doesn't have multiple Pinocchio rides, just a dark ride and a section of another ride where you just happen to go into Monstro's mouth at the beginning of Storybook Land, which just happens to have a scene themed to "Pinocchio", along with other Disney movies. Just traveling through Monstro's mouth is hardly what I would call multiple Pinocchio attractions.
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    1. Big Thunder Mountain Railroad
    2. Pirates of the Caribbean
    3. Splash Mountain
    4. Mad Tea Party
    5. Peter Pan's Flight
    6. Roger Rabbit's Car Toon Spin

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