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    Re: Tom Staggs Says -- "It Can't Just Be About Nostalgia"

    Quote Originally Posted by ssaamm View Post
    Mostly, but taking out a ride for a meet and greet I do not agree with

    You may not agree with it personally, but that doesn't mean it didn't make good sense. There are many times when the lines for the meet n greets exceed 30 to 40 minutes in length, and times that you basically have to beg people to ride Snow White and Pinocchio.

    It isn't about nostalgia and it's not about changing things for the sake of change. It is trying to make people (the most amount of people) happy.

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    Re: Tom Staggs Says -- "It Can't Just Be About Nostalgia"

    Quote Originally Posted by MrLiver View Post
    You may not agree with it personally, but that doesn't mean it didn't make good sense. There are many times when the lines for the meet n greets exceed 30 to 40 minutes in length, and times that you basically have to beg people to ride Snow White and Pinocchio.

    It isn't about nostalgia and it's not about changing things for the sake of change. It is trying to make people (the most amount of people) happy.
    Nope. It's always about money.


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    Re: Tom Staggs Says -- "It Can't Just Be About Nostalgia"

    Only if the new is better than the old. And I'm not entirely convinced that Disney has the talent in house to make better new. Of course, the DCA turnaround makes more optimistic than pessimistic.

    If you go over the Universal, a lot of old nostalgic rides disappeared: Back to the Future, Jaws, Hitchcock. In some cases, the new was far better, and some cases the new was worse such as the Shrek movie that replaced Hitchcock. But Disney has to attempt to innovate or be left behind. Now, if I had to set a site in DL to try new stuff, I would target Tomorrowland and make it follow the theme, rather than looking like Yesterland.

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    Re: Tom Staggs Says -- "It Can't Just Be About Nostalgia"

    Quote Originally Posted by Druggas View Post
    Nope. It's always about money.
    Unless they are suffering from some kind of neurosis, people only spend money when they're happy.

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    Re: Tom Staggs Says -- "It Can't Just Be About Nostalgia"

    Quote Originally Posted by MrLiver View Post
    Unless they are suffering from some kind of neurosis, people only spend money when they're happy.
    People only spend money when they're happy, unless they're neurotic? A curious view of people... and money.

    It would seem, then, that there are a lot of people in the world suffering from the "neurosis" of spending money to pay bills, buy insurance, pay taxes, pay fines, pay medical costs and the uncounted other reasons people spend money when they're not happy.

    A curious view indeed. One which I don't doubt is shared by many in Disney management: "Get 'em slap-happy on the magic and watch 'em spend, spend, spend."
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    Re: Tom Staggs Says -- "It Can't Just Be About Nostalgia"

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wiggins View Post
    People only spend money when they're happy, unless they're neurotic? A curious view of people... and money.

    It would seem, then, that there are a lot of people in the world suffering from the "neurosis" of spending money to pay bills, buy insurance, pay taxes, pay fines, pay medical costs and the uncounted other reasons people spend money when they're not happy.

    A curious view indeed. One which I don't doubt is shared by many in Disney management: "Get 'em slap-happy on the magic and watch 'em spend, spend, spend."
    Don't turn it into a battle of semantics...obviously MrLiver was referring to spending money where it wasn't necessary. Obviously people aren't necessarily happy when paying taxes, bills, fines, etc. But the bigger picture shows that paying these costs eventually leads to happiness.

    Staggs is right in that Disney isn't only about nostalgia, but I have to agree with everyone who finds it ridiculous that a wonderful ride was removed in favor of some less-than-impressive attractions. The facades are great, but inside leaves much to be desired. I still have high hopes for the dwarf coaster, though.

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    Re: Tom Staggs Says -- "It Can't Just Be About Nostalgia"

    When walt spoke of nostalgia, I doubt he knew people in the future would be nostalgic for things in the park itself. I would bet he'd be plenty frustrated if he wasn't able to build his new attraction because it is considered "sacred." I'm sure he didn't anticipate this sort of nostalgia.
    In the quest for quality, I have no problem with the characters footing the bill.

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    Re: Tom Staggs Says -- "It Can't Just Be About Nostalgia"

    Yet evolution is as much a part of Disney’s DNA as mouse ears. - Stephanie Rosenbloom
    Last edited by orbitalpunk; 12-24-2012 at 04:49 AM.

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    Re: Tom Staggs Says -- "It Can't Just Be About Nostalgia"

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    Re: Tom Staggs Says -- "It Can't Just Be About Nostalgia"

    When people run on of real ideas - they build a fancy meet & greet or retail location. I'm not against meet & greets or Disney making money, but the public will only tolerate so much before they decide they aren't getting enough value for their money. My understanding is that the suits are seriously looking at ways to increase capacity - but they would be wise to remember that they are pushing their guests to the limits of what they can tolerate. The rides and quality entertainment offerings should always be the priority.

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    Re: Tom Staggs Says -- "It Can't Just Be About Nostalgia"

    Quote Originally Posted by lazyboy97O View Post
    Staggs is trying to scapegoat what set Disney apart by framing it as something outdated an antiquated.
    This.

    Why is Staggs still around? His useful days have long passed too - It can't just be about nostalgia.

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    Re: Tom Staggs Says -- "It Can't Just Be About Nostalgia"

    OK, let me get this straight.

    You just expanded Fantasyland from 10 acres to 21, right, Tom? OK.

    You needed a Meet & Greet the Princesses location somewhere in there, right? OK.

    So why did you take out Snow White's Scary Adventures and replace it with the Meet & Greet? What did you just fill up those extra 11 acres with, that a Meet & Greet location could not have fit into that expanded area?

    No, Tom, nobody's saying that it IS "all about nostalgia." That's just nonsense to say to us as a way to try to explain away your moronic lack of good planning.

    Tssh. This guy's next in line for the throne? Oy vey. Remember "Walt & El Grupo"? There's a sequel in the planning now - "Bob & El Stupido."

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    Re: Tom Staggs Says -- "It Can't Just Be About Nostalgia"

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wiggins View Post
    People only spend money when they're happy, unless they're neurotic? A curious view of people... and money.
    Yes.

    It would seem, then, that there are a lot of people in the world suffering from the "neurosis" of spending money to pay bills, buy insurance, pay taxes, pay fines, pay medical costs and the uncounted other reasons people spend money when they're not happy.
    People pay their electric bill because electricity makes them happy. They pay taxes because having well maintained roads makes them happy. They pay those medical bills because being alive makes them happy.

    They pay that monthly Disneyland bill because going to Disneyland makes them happy.

    A curious view indeed. One which I don't doubt is shared by many in Disney management: "Get 'em slap-happy on the magic and watch 'em spend, spend, spend."
    Well you never know. Perhaps *THIS* meet n greet, will be the last straw and the millions of people coming will all collectively look at it and say "This makes me unhappy and I won't spend any money here" and the parks will be closed next year.

    Then we can all go about our business of solving the other major problems in the world.

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    Re: Tom Staggs Says -- "It Can't Just Be About Nostalgia"

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Staggs
    "Along the way, there were casualties, like Snow White’s Scary Adventures, a ride that had been in the park since it opened in 1971."
    Is that what you call it, Tom? "Casualties?" Golly, and all this time everyone (except your legions of corporate groupthink-alikes) thought that you were just continuing your mentor Michael's tradition of offering less while charging more. Thanks for the clarification.

    Can't wait 'til your next interview, when you roll out terms like "collateral damage" and "acceptable losses."


    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Staggs
    "Yet evolution is as much a part of Disney’s DNA as mouse ears."
    Along with investing more in your Cast Members, do try to get yourself better PR people to write these talking points for you, hm? They're embarrassing you and the Company.
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    Re: Tom Staggs Says -- "It Can't Just Be About Nostalgia"

    The nostalgia argument is the biggest cop out by Disney and some of the apologistic posts that I have seen. While I agree that saving something purely for the sake of nostalgia isn't realistic, Disney is only getting it half right. If the replacement is going to be superior to what is there now the of course a change should be made. However, when the replacement pales in comparison to what is currently offered, it is highly dismissive of people's opinion to say that they are only opposed to the change due to nostalgia.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrLiver View Post
    They pay taxes because having well maintained roads makes them happy.
    I am really not motivated by roads or civic improvements. I pay taxes so the government doesn't come after me. And no, I am not paying them because it makes me happy that the government is not coming after me. I pay them because there is an obligation to do so. There is no happiness at all there.
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