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    Re: Tom Staggs Says -- "It Can't Just Be About Nostalgia"

    Quote Originally Posted by Retrocool View Post
    Words like this make me want to punch somebody in the face. (Not you, Mr. Wiggins.)
    Believe me, I know what you mean. It's why, after listening to Iger, Staggs, Rasulo & Co. spout corporate marketing jargon for years, hearing them pontificate to the press about nostalgia, magic and Disney tradition is so vomit-inducing.
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    Re: Tom Staggs Says -- "It Can't Just Be About Nostalgia"

    Quote Originally Posted by MrLiver View Post
    It's not necessarily that it is too old fashioned, but in a park full of E tickets, why would you waste your time?
    Well, there are many people who DON'T see actually riding on a C-ticket as a waste of time when compared to standing idly in line for 45 minutes for an E-ticket. It is not a desirable thing for every ride to have a long wait. In any sizable crowd you're going to have a mix of people who would rather ride something right now and people who would rather wait to ride something else later.

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    Re: Tom Staggs Says -- "It Can't Just Be About Nostalgia"

    Quote Originally Posted by Coheteboy View Post
    Yes, I hear the argument. There are long lines so they must love it right?. But do they really? Who is it for -- The kids? Does this really make the family happy? I'd argue that it doesn't. They do it because they have to.

    I'm pretty sure if there was no "meet & greet" the family would be out DOING something and maybe BUYING something and making REAL experiences and memories happen. Not this forced fake "magic".
    This is well said! I totally agree. It is forced. If families were not subconsciously obligated to participate, they could be out spending money, exactly what Disney wants.

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    Re: Tom Staggs Says -- "It Can't Just Be About Nostalgia"

    Quote Originally Posted by lazyboy97O View Post
    Staggs is trying to scapegoat what set Disney apart by framing it as something outdated an antiquated.
    Completely agreed, same with Wiggins.

    Staggs is selling people on his "screw nostalgia" perspective by warming you up to it with "It's not ALL about nostalgia." And you, being an agreeable person nod your head because you fear coming off as unreasonable and say "Yes, he makes sense, it can't all be about nostalgia." What many of you don't realize is he's warming you up to agree with his history of "screw nostalgia."

    Mark Twain once said the best way to boil a frog was put it in cold water and turn the heat up slowly. So it's not ALL about nostalgia, eh? Raze everything and replace it with something new, here comes Staggs.

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    Re: Tom Staggs Says -- "It Can't Just Be About Nostalgia"

    i've also seen rides go up and down in ridership based on outside forces. pirates is a good example--i was walking on it without a wait for years before the movies came out. rides can also be redone (star tours, etc...) and become popular again. i'm assuming disney considered all this. i would fight to keep/redo SW at DL, but at WDW? it just seems a shame that it was replaced with a meet and greet, and that Staggs made a statement that seems so dismissive of the whole history/magic of walt's dream.

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    Re: Tom Staggs Says -- "It Can't Just Be About Nostalgia"

    Quote Originally Posted by Wren View Post
    Space is always a premium in a place like this.
    Space is NOT at a premium in WDW. They have so much space...

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    Re: Tom Staggs Says -- "It Can't Just Be About Nostalgia"

    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorQ9 View Post
    I wholeheartedly agree. Meet & Greets or Playgrounds do not count as true attractions in my book...
    Well Said!!!!!

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    Re: Tom Staggs Says -- "It Can't Just Be About Nostalgia"

    Quote Originally Posted by drjeep View Post
    I am all for Mr. Staggs' statement and wholeheartedly approve of Disney's "Great Leap Forward" IF it was being done well. Yes remove the old and antiquated attractions that thrive only due to nostalgia BUT don't replace them with substandard current era tie ins that won't be remembered a few years after their release (See Tarzan's Tree House). If you are going to do progress then do progress well, otherwise keep the old attractions in house until you can figure out what Disney's Evolution actually is.
    This is how I feel as well. I think to a certain extent this worries all sides because of a lost faith in commitment to innovation. I feel that Carsland and BVS have shown that "BETTER" can be the result. However certain parts of Disneyland are regarded as sacrosanct and in achieving "BETTER" the stakes become much higher.

    All of that said, I absolutely have purist tendencies as far as Disneyland is concerned and zero interest in going taking my child on Snow White's Scary Adventures for quite a few years and even then, not often. If there are many more parents like me, I can see how the ride presents a real problem in this way.

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    Re: Tom Staggs Says -- "It Can't Just Be About Nostalgia"

    Quote Originally Posted by OliviaVonDrake View Post
    Space is NOT at a premium in WDW. They have so much space...
    and what do they do with it? They make you walk farther to the next poorly-maintained attraction, instead of filling the park with more attactions.
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    Re: Tom Staggs Says -- "It Can't Just Be About Nostalgia"

    Quote Originally Posted by Wren View Post
    Well yes aside from technical issues and ride design, but still.

    Empty rides are more people in the walkways or in the line for other rides, making those lines longer.

    Space is always a premium in a place like this.
    If this is the case than lets close Mermaid right now since it has a 5-10 minute wait the majority of the year.

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    Re: Tom Staggs Says -- "It Can't Just Be About Nostalgia"

    Quote Originally Posted by Rave View Post
    If this is the case than lets close Mermaid right now since it has a 5-10 minute wait the majority of the year.
    Yea, that one was a bit surprising, although the ride itself is fairly lackluster
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    Re: Tom Staggs Says -- "It Can't Just Be About Nostalgia"

    Walt Disney himself recognized the need for the parks to be fluid and adaptable, realizing that the park would "Disneyland would never be finished." Disneyland went through several large transformations during his lifetime. It is unreasonable and unrealistic to expect that the park would not change and with that change, some of our favorites may come and go.

    The Fantasyland expansion in WDW is a much needed boost to an aging park and I welcome it with open arms. Having said that, I still struggle to understand the ideology employed by the east coast management team and their continued penchant for cutting corners. I just returned from WDW in early November. SOOO many things that are broken or need paint, or need attention, or are just so ridiculously dated (i.e. Carousel of Progress) that it'd be laughable, if it weren't so depressing.

    In my opinion, Mr. Staggs is correct...and sooner rather than later.

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    Re: Tom Staggs Says -- "It Can't Just Be About Nostalgia"

    Quote Originally Posted by ssaamm View Post
    Mostly, but taking out a ride for a meet and greet I do not agree with
    That's not true. It's only true if you insist that real estate in the park cannot be re-purposed for other uses, so once a space is a ride it must forever be a ride.

    The truth is the Snow White ride has been replaced by the Little Mermaid ride or you could say it will be replaced the Seven Dwarfs ride when that opens. You're not losing a ride for a meet and greet.

    However, I think a valid point is that meet and greets with the characters are very popular with the demographic Fantasyland is after. Kids love meeting characters and the lines prove that point.

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    Re: Tom Staggs Says -- "It Can't Just Be About Nostalgia"

    Quote Originally Posted by ericg View Post
    That's not true. It's only true if you insist that real estate in the park cannot be re-purposed for other uses, so once a space is a ride it must forever be a ride.

    The truth is the Snow White ride has been replaced by the Little Mermaid ride or you could say it will be replaced the Seven Dwarfs ride when that opens. You're not losing a ride for a meet and greet.

    However, I think a valid point is that meet and greets with the characters are very popular with the demographic Fantasyland is after. Kids love meeting characters and the lines prove that point.
    There was still no need to close Snow White. A meet and greet can be placed somewhere else, the Magic Kingdom park has tons of space. Snow White AND the meet and greet could easily have co-existed.

    No matter how many more rides they are building, we are still loosing a ride for a meet and greet.

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    Re: Tom Staggs Says -- "It Can't Just Be About Nostalgia"

    Quote Originally Posted by ssaamm View Post
    There was still no need to close Snow White. A meet and greet can be placed somewhere else, the Magic Kingdom park has tons of space. Snow White AND the meet and greet could easily have co-existed.

    No matter how many more rides they are building, we are still loosing a ride for a meet and greet.
    I do believe that might have been the reason for the Snow White roller coaster. The idea of two major Snow White rides would've been considered too redundant that one would haveta give. I don't see why they could've rethemed the coaster to another film instead allowing them to keep the original Snow White ride.

    Regarding playgrounds and meet n greets, I don't mind them if they're well themed and one-of-a-kind but I consider them to be more park extras as opposed to attractions and such things should not be considered replacements for any attraction.
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