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    Re: It's Happening ... I'm Getting Over Disney

    For me anyway I go these phases.....I love Disney for many things...but the business aspect are so "clear" of what they are doing it can take away from the magic....but in the end even if I do give up my AP this year....then it will just make the next time I go in a year or two more special

    Disney would have to do a lot to kill the magic for me...

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    Re: It's Happening ... I'm Getting Over Disney

    I love this thread. It is so very necessary.

    I've been saying this all for years. YEARS. First time I ever had a bad time at the Park was in '97 or '98. I found myself not just disappointed or frustrated, but actually ANGRY. That had NEVER happened before. And it was a real shock to the system. It made me realize just how much I cared, and how deeply Walt's philosophy had been embedded in me, after having grown up reading biographies of him and learning about what made him tick. Disneyland WAS Walt. It was his philosophy, converted into an actual physical place. And even without him still literally leading the way, because he had done such an awesome job of sharing his philosophy and his passion with so many others, those others were able to carry the legacy forward.

    And then it all changed. And it got worse. And worse. And worse. And worse. And now it's just a shell, with a famous name and lip service to the philosophy that it represented.

    The last 20 years have been just one, long, slow death.

    It was on a downward slope starting with the whole Paris thing. Then the chopper crash and the kid split. Then the whole stupid Cap Cities thing. Then Pixar, then Marvel, now Lucasfilm. It's like, oy vey, it's a machine that just eats things. Would Walt have done all that? Would he have wanted all that? I don't really think so. He didn't exhibit that sort of behavior back then. The guy was a showman, not a suit.

    I don't know. I don't know if the spirit can be revived. I don't know if the dream can be brought back. I hope....but that's all I can do. It may be too late.

    I can't blame these kids for not getting it; they don't know any better. The doublespeak's been around for most of their lives, if not all of it. I'd like to point fingers; I could blame Eisner, Iger, Katzenberg...but it's not their fault they are the way they are. Might've been just the right guys for their previous employers. They were just the wrong type of guys to try to fill Walt's shoes. I could blame the idiot nephew for starting the purge, turning the kingdom into an insane asylum and then letting the inmates run it. Walt probably would. But now he's dead too, so it's sorta moot. But really....I dunno.... maybe this is all on us instead.

    If it was me in the driver's seat, I'd sell all the acquisitions and just keep the good stuff, the core. Then take the whole shebang private again. Enough of this malarkey about shareholders. Those shareholders and their sycophants are killing the dream, if it isn't dead already.

    (And this isn't directed at anyone here. I'm just speaking in vague generalities.)

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    Re: It's Happening ... I'm Getting Over Disney

    Quote Originally Posted by clara View Post
    You are right and I agree. I tend to spoil my kid so much and will spend my last cent on him to take him places and go without new clothes for myself or something like that. I read that its the "single mom" syndrome when there is absolutely no father around. I'm trying to make up for something he will always lack...

    BUT that is a conversation for another thread but yes, I agree with you.
    As a single father I could COMPLETELY understand where you're coming from. It definitely is not an easy task but so much more rewarding at times.
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    Re: It's Happening ... I'm Getting Over Disney

    I may not agree with all your specific views, EC82, but I can relate to visits to Disneyland in the past year largely feeling more 'stressful' in general rather than relaxing due to reasons I couldn't quite place (and I love the design history of the parks, the rides, the ambiance music, a hundred or even a thousand small details). It made me depressed, honestly.

    So thank you for sharing this viewpoint and your take on it. This side certainly is welcome and needed to be shared, the tipping point when even if you love the park, the experience just isn't enjoyable: sad, but that point can come at different levels of experience for everyone. I hope some of the things are massaged and worked out that bothered me: aimless crowding in all areas of the parks and seemingly indifferent/bored guests standing out amongst the large amounts of people there relaxing or having a good time. I just walked away from two days in the park not satisfied with the overall experience, be it from a lot of merchandise being 'stupid' or too omnipresent (by my personal standards, of course), not getting to enjoy and savor the small things I always like seeing at the park as much as I wanted, etc. And this from someone who has maybe a total of 7 full days at the park per year. That is high indeed by some standards yes, and I own a Deluxe pass. I am not a local, not burned out from going every week or watching every show 30 times by this point. So that was disappointing.

    So your post was quite balanced and fair, and I do hope a break allows you to recapture some of the good feelings when next you visit.

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    Re: It's Happening ... I'm Getting Over Disney

    Such a great post and a very important issue. Disney needs to stay fresh and the AP has taken a lot of the magic from me. I go a lot less not but it still isn't something I crave doing anymore.

    I'm sure Disney knows this, but the damage may have been done already. Maybe next decade I'll get it back if I have grandkids and take them.

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    Re: It's Happening ... I'm Getting Over Disney

    I never thought I would say it, but reading threads like this make me glad that I've never been financially able to go as often as I would like (only been 3 times ever, once when I was 6, once when I was 11, and once this past July at age 24). I always thought I would want to go as often as I can, but reading this perhaps I see that's not the case. I like the analogy to Christmas someone else made.

    I can say with honesty that even if I were financially able, like I won the lottery or something and money was no object (here's hoping!) I would probably only go once, maybe twice a year. That anticipation and build up is so necessary! The last time I had to endure that feeling for 13 years. I hope next time isn't so far away, but I can't imagine having that feeling in the same way if I was going to DLR every few weeks.
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    Re: It's Happening ... I'm Getting Over Disney

    I think my issue with current Disneyland, and I feel its shared with the "older" minds (not to say any/everyone with this perspective is old), is that Disneyland no longer captures the imagination but instead just materializes the movies.

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    Re: It's Happening ... I'm Getting Over Disney

    Quote Originally Posted by Rave View Post
    I think my issue with current Disneyland, and I feel its shared with the "older" minds (not to say any/everyone with this perspective is old), is that Disneyland no longer captures the imagination but instead just materializes the movies.
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    Re: It's Happening ... I'm Getting Over Disney

    I agree with almost everything that has been stated and plan on not re-newing my pass come June. For the first time in my life, I feel like I need a long break from Disney. I really feel that ever since I became an AP, the magic started to slowly fade. I miss the old days (before the AP) of actually being EXCITED to go to Disneyland. Counting down the days and planning out trips. Now it's become just something to do for the day.... which is not what it was intended for.

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    Re: It's Happening ... I'm Getting Over Disney

    Well, I must say I'm impressed and surprised, because I expected to get a lot of flame-type hate responses by people saying I was wrong ... but instead, there are so many people who seem to agree with my disappointment and "Disney fatigue."

    Remember when California Adventure was awful BUT it was something completely, utterly different from Disneyland? Remember how excited we were about what Westcot might have been or what DisneySea was going to be like, because they were "Disney" but they were not overtly Disney?

    Now, you go to California Adventure or the Disneyland Hotel or the Grand Californian, you go to the Yacht Club or the Grand Floridian or the Contemporary and EVERYTHING has been Disney-ized to an extreme. In fact, the last time I was at WDW, I actually spent MORE time at the Animal Kingdom Lodge than I ever had because it contained the best of Disney -- the exquisite theming, the hyper-cleanliness, the attention to detail, the feeling of being in another place -- without forcing Mickey and "Disney" down my throat.

    D23 could have been something really special if it had opened itself up to fans in the Internet age, allowed DISNEY LOVERS to actually define what Disney meant, but it's not -- they've shut our voice out.

    It's really disappointing. I remember in the 1990s spending a summer in southwest Florida with friends, and we drove 80 miles to get to The Disney Store in Miami where everyone found something that s/he liked ... and we were all in our late teens! Then we'd go to WDW and I would take them all to Epcot and we'd eat around the world (we didn't have fake IDs and you could actually walk up to a restaurant and get seated) and we'd go to the attractions ..... and then one of my friends who was a MOVIE NUT would take us the next day to Disney-MGM Studios and he'd try to impress us with his knowledge of the movies, and we were at "Disney," but we didn't feel "Disney-ed out." And we'd end at MK and watch SpectroMagic and ride the classic rides and it all celebrated Disney, not glorified the latest release or TV show (even if that TV show happens to be "Modern Family" on ABC, which is Disney only because Disney insists it is).

    Nothing was SADDER to me than watching last year the "Modern Family" episode where they went to Disneyland, and the whole thing made FUN of Disneyland. At the end, they went to the groundbreaking, Walt-created "Great Moments With Mr. Lincoln," and they turned it into a disrespectful joke ... so ABC could get extra promotion at Disneyland and vice-versa and "synergies could be realized."

    Thinking back, that may have been the moment that started really spoiling it for me, and yes now I'll take a break for several months at least, and we'll see if I even miss it. Growing up, a trip to Disney was a once-every-couple-of-years special experience.

    Maybe it needs to be that again.

    Thank you all for your great comments and thoughts and sharing your own views!

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    Re: It's Happening ... I'm Getting Over Disney

    Good arguments and opinions all.
    I'm still good with Disneyland. I really like to visit with my family. It's about a once a month visit. Yes, I'm as riled up with the price increases, the lack of imagination, the rotting People Mover tracks...
    To me, it's a sort of a sacred place, not in a religious sense, but in a nice energized place me and my family want to be. I haven't bought a trinket in 7 or 8 years, I never wanted to join D23, I rarely eat at the restaurants. We get on the rides, we take pictures, we just enjoy that family time. That's what Walt felt was so important, not the commercialisms. And we have other places for family time as well (libraries, beaches, Red Robin restaurants, eating pizza at home, homework time and the list goes on).
    So that's my take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rave View Post
    I think my issue with current Disneyland, and I feel its shared with the "older" minds (not to say any/everyone with this perspective is old), is that Disneyland no longer captures the imagination but instead just materializes the movies.
    Exactly.

    I've only had an annual pass once, and during that period of time, none of the magic felt diminished by the frequency of my family's visits-- we took more time to savor different elements and appreciate the park's subtleties. Each trip was still a delicious treat of which we savored every waking moment. Disneyland never became a common or casual experience-- so visiting the park frequently is not what shifted my views on the park and the company.

    I'm relatively young, I've only experienced the Disneyland of yesteryear through pictures, videos, records, on-ride soundtracks, stories, articles, books, scripts, and personal accounts of its attractions and its spirit. My earliest trip to the park was in the '90s and was trip far too early in my life to be memorable today. However, I can assure you that during my early trips to Disneyland, I thought that it was flawless. The park was sheer perfection from my young eyes, and thus, it was instantaneous love. Growing older, I still adored the park with a passion, but I began to realize how elements of the park differed from others. I remember feeling really disheartened at changes like the addition of Jack Sparrow to POTC, replacing CBJ with Pooh, resurrecting the subs with a screen-heavy rehash of Finding Nemo, and adding Disney characters to "it's a small world." I was definitely upset and frustrated at such changes, but I assumed that through the history of the park, there were destined to be ups and down, but these period mistakes would never chip away at the fabric of the actual park and its core principles and philosophies.

    And so, around my sixteenth birthday, my family purchased our very first annual passes. It was a year that was filled to the brim with love and passion for what Walt Disney had accomplished and created, for the art of Imagineering, for the poetic sight of the beckoning castle from Main Street, for the immersion into the alternate worlds that were created in the park, for the redefined reality that thrived within its gates. I ignored the high saturation of characters and franchises and savored those elements, believing that Disneyland was the ultimate stronghold of imagination and that my love for it would never waver.

    But as time continued to pass, I realized that the changes that crammed more franchises into the parks, the changes that shoved the Disney brand obnoxiously and distastefully in your face, the changes that commercialized the once unique spirit of the park, the changes that attempted to bottle Disney magic and sell it for ridiculous up-charges, and the changes that were ultimately void of Disneyland's original uniqueness and imagination were the changes that were rampant in the park's gates. I saw little of what I had fallen in love with being added to the park. The original spirit was still there, yes, in some corners of the park, but I had to face the reality that something was fundamentally wrong: that Disneyland was changing for the worse, managed by people who lacked the understanding of the park's core soul. The daring originality, the unparalleled creativity, the wondrous beauty, and the high levels of quality that had characterized Disneyland and made the park such an incredible place were being diminished, disappearing in favor of franchises, marketability, safeness, and profits.

    I've visited the park several times this year. While still enjoying the places where creativity persists thriving, I accepted that the vision of Disneyland has changed and that this new vision that no longer coincides with the park's original spirit. As CASurfer65 stated, it's "something that call itself Disney, but isn't really Disney anymore." Is it possible that one day its true identity will be rediscovered and embraced? I certainly hope so. I want to believe that's possible. I want to hope that the park can once again be a place where each new addition radiates an infectious sense of imagination and originality, that transports you to places that make your eyes glitter with wonder as you step into a newly redefined reality, as you are immersed into new and beautiful worlds that beckon you to dream, imagine, learn, explore, adventure, and return to a childlike state of amazement and innocence. I want to believe that can fully and unabashedly love the park again. But right now, I just can't.

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    Re: It's Happening ... I'm Getting Over Disney

    I only go to Disneyland Resort 1-3 times every year, so that won't make me get sick of Disneyland. If I get withdrawals, I listen to Disney theme park audio and music to fill it up as well as watching old and new videos.

    I'm glad that I don't own a Annual Pass, the benefit is that you get discount on food, merchandise, and free parking. I would want to get the Southern California pass instead if I want to visit more than one resort.

    Actually, I prefer going alone then with friends and family most of the time that you won't get too over Disney! But, I have never gone alone before in my whole life and I wish I can though.
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    Re: It's Happening ... I'm Getting Over Disney

    An "oppressed lower class woe is me" who is on the attack?

    Wow!

    In all the years I've been expressing my opinions on these boards I've never received such a response. And over nothing more than observations I've made about positions people have actually taken on these boards.

    Apparently I hit some nerve and my apologies if something I said hurt your feelings. If you took them personally or saw them as attacks, then there's nothing I can do about that. Except say I'm sorry you took it that way. That wasn't my attention. It's not in my fiber to attack other people, so for me to suddenly start doing it on these boards would make no sense.

    To clarify once again. In response to my feelings about why I'm beginning to get over Disneyland myself, I have been labeled a "purist" who is "blinded" by nostalgia.

    These are observations and reportings of what I've actually seen on these boards. Things people have said to me in response to my take on the direction in which Disneyland is moving. And that has everything to do with why I don't feel the connection to Disneyland that I used to have.

    How did I respond to this person though? First off, without invective. Secondly, through clarifying where I believe the respondent was incorrect. Again, without taking it personally and responding in anger. If you are in disagreement (or offended) with something I say, ask me to clarify it. Discuss it.

    As to my comments about people on this board agreeing with some of the principles on which Disney was founded, but also believing it's perfectly fine to open up a third gate with some theme that I don't necessarly agree with. Observations. Nothing more. Nothing less. Observations based on what people have actually said. Pure and simple.

    Do I agree with the direction in which Disneyland is moving? No. Are others okay with it? Many people on these boards seem to be. Just because I don't agree with them doesn't make what I say personal attacks.

    And to go as far as to write my observations off as being irrelevant to the topic at hand is, to say the least, way off the mark. People expand and develop thread topics all the time on these boards. And in rereading my response, everything I say is absolutely pertinent to why different people might be "getting over" Disney at this point. And yes, this is what this thread is about. Different people have different takes on it. That's how it is.

    If others don't agree that doesn't make their comments or opinions automatically irrelevant.

    While I don't agree with what you said in your response, nor do I agree with the tone in which it was conveyed, I am certainly willing to apologize if my observations offended you.


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    You had good points until you started acting like an 'oppressed lower class woe is me' and attacking people with other view points than yours, viewpoints that wernt even brought up in this thread at all.

    Stormy has a point though, perhaps many on here were simply going too much to the park. Too much of a good thing and all that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EC82 View Post
    Well, I must say I'm impressed and surprised, because I expected to get a lot of flame-type hate responses by people saying I was wrong ... but instead, there are so many people who seem to agree with my disappointment and "Disney fatigue."!
    There is no wrong or right answer here. Peoples opinions are not absolute for everyone else. You said nothing wrong. Burn-out is common in AP's. Not all, but it happens. From personal experience, I can tell you that I myself needed a small break being an AP for 4 years. I still bought my pass but didnt go so much for one year. The following year, I realized that break changed me forever and now I can't stay away from the park for more than a week. And its been that way for the last 18 years. So its very possible you'll get your Disney groove back stronger than ever.

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