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    Quote Originally Posted by orbitalpunk View Post
    Sometimes you don't realize how much home means to you until you have to leave it.
    ...or until someone destroys it.

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    Re: It's Happening ... I'm Getting Over Disney

    Quote Originally Posted by bayouguy View Post
    Good arguments and opinions all.
    I'm still good with Disneyland. I really like to visit with my family. It's about a once a month visit. Yes, I'm as riled up with the price increases, the lack of imagination, the rotting People Mover tracks...
    To me, it's a sort of a sacred place, not in a religious sense, but in a nice energized place me and my family want to be. I haven't bought a trinket in 7 or 8 years, I never wanted to join D23, I rarely eat at the restaurants. We get on the rides, we take pictures, we just enjoy that family time. That's what Walt felt was so important, not the commercialisms. And we have other places for family time as well (libraries, beaches, Red Robin restaurants, eating pizza at home, homework time and the list goes on).
    So that's my take.
    I'm happy that this is how you appreciate Disneyland. I am the exact same type of guest you are. However for me it has become apparent that you and I have now become the type of guest that Disney is so very desperately trying to get rid of. The recent price increase was incentive enough for me. It would appear that a further increase will again be needed to thin out this herd even more.

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    I'm happy that this is how you appreciate Disneyland. I am the exact same type of guest you are. However for me it has become apparent that you and I have now become the type of guest that Disney is so very desperately trying to get rid of.
    This is what opponents of the AP program have been saying all along. Offering a premium Park at a massive discount over comparable daily admission prices as a loss-leader to people who don't purchase what marketers would call "upcharge" items like souvenirs and food, is ultimately a net loss in revenue to Disney.

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    Re: It's Happening ... I'm Getting Over Disney

    I go once every two to three years and every time is a blast. Maybe it's better to be poor and live far away from Disneyland.

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    I go about once a year, at a different time each year, summer some years, at Christmastime (in November) others.

    I will probably never stop going, because I've been going literally every year since I was born. I also have Asperger's Syndrome, and it just so happens that my Aspie obsession is Disney parks in general and Disneyland in particular. Yes, I agree about the increased prices, that the least they could do is to slow them down or even put a cap on them, if not reduce them. As for the PeopleMover track, I agree, something should be done. If they can't bring back the PeopleMover track, then get rid of it. As for the commercialism, which as most people (on MiceChat and elsewhere) seem to think goes against Walt the man and everything he stands for, I've learned to ignore it. I know Disneyland is a business, so I've learned to put up with it.

    And I'm not even an AP'er, either. So no offense, but as a Disneyland Aspie, this thread kinda rubbed me the wrong way.
    My top favorite Disneyland attractions:

    1. Big Thunder Mountain Railroad
    2. Pirates of the Caribbean
    3. Splash Mountain
    4. Mad Tea Party
    5. Peter Pan's Flight
    6. Roger Rabbit's Car Toon Spin

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    Re: It's Happening ... I'm Getting Over Disney

    What I find amusing about this whole thread is that several people on here have discovered how nice Universal is and that the sentiments expressed by the OP are the same as my personal friends that have let their Disney passes expire in exchange for Universal passes. They are looking forward to going on a rainy day and getting their free hot chocolate. LOL.

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    While obviously a small subset of fans, you would think this trend would be of some concern to Disney...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve DeGaetano View Post
    While obviously a small subset of fans, you would think this trend would be of some concern to Disney...
    Maybe it is, but they're probably just not openly saying anything about it.
    My top favorite Disneyland attractions:

    1. Big Thunder Mountain Railroad
    2. Pirates of the Caribbean
    3. Splash Mountain
    4. Mad Tea Party
    5. Peter Pan's Flight
    6. Roger Rabbit's Car Toon Spin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve DeGaetano View Post
    This is what opponents of the AP program have been saying all along. Offering a premium Park at a massive discount over comparable daily admission prices as a loss-leader to people who don't purchase what marketers would call "upcharge" items like souvenirs and food, is ultimately a net loss in revenue to Disney.
    I dont think this is true. Disneyland is pretty much a fixed cost item, like a machine in an assembly line. To maximize your revenue you need to keep your utilization as high as possible and get the maximum $ for any unit of work.

    A factory might charge a premium for people who need product immediately, but give discounts if you are flexible when they can produce product during downtimes.

    Either way every product sold, every annual pass creates positive gross margin for disney. There is no such thing as negative revenue (except for refunds).

    the only issue with AP is if they reduce the maximum $ per utilized unit by chasing away people that would pay higher amounts. They resolved this with blockout passes.

    You can look at disneys financials to see the parks are doing well (although not making a fortune). $/visitor are up, visits are up etc.

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    While "burn-out" is bound to happen, I can't help but think that DLR is getting more business, and more APers.

    Case in point my sister. She and her family rarely visit Disneyland, even though she did so often as a kid. For vacations they would go to Vegas, Hawaii, and took their now early-teens son to Disneyland, but he really loved Universal because of the fast rides.

    Well, I was flat-out surprised when I learned that she bought annual passes for her family recently and that she plans to go there more often (obviously) with another family. So, DLR is getting at least one more APer.

    Upkeep at WDW is poor, but DLR is turning around. I posted a trip report with photos of broken glass on a lampost, a rusted railing, and some poorly hung twinkle lights and was knocked off my socks when everything was fixed when I returned maybe four months later!

    Anyway, I think DLR is entering a second golden age. We've got Carsland, which amazingly makes me want to go to DCA right off the bat when arriving on property, plus the rumored Iron Man Tomorrowland attraction, and in the background is the Frontierland expansion, Main Street Alley project, and who knows what else.

    Disney has a huge incentive to plus the parks, now they make so much more $$$ because of Grand Californian, instead of just selling park tickets and getting some folks to stay at the Disneyland Hotel.

    I have to disagree with the OP that Animation is "dead" . . . uh, Princess and the Frog was a great film, and the new Pooh movie was great and in exactly the same style as the old Pooh, and Frozen looks to be good. I wish they put up an ad for the next WDA feature film above the Exits like they used to do.

    Anyway, I think DLR will get more APers . . . millions more are visiting the parks this year.

    One sore spot for me is the Esplanade with the "temporarily permanent" security checkpoints and the new ticket booths which look . . . wrong somehow. I think if this area had more Mictorian style ticket booths with more plants, and maybe even a Mickey Fountain, it would start the whole experience on the right foot. Or they could pull a Disneyland Paris and put a hotel over the Esplanade and have the ticket booths on the first floor.

    A big deal is made about franchises, but a lot of great past attractions were franchise based, such as the Mike Fink Keel boats, and I sure miss them. If they took Buzz out of Tomorrowland, I'm sure some kids that "grew up" with this attraction would be upset. It's just the nature of Disneyland that attractions change from time to time, even a classic like the HM gets a makeover each year with HMH. If Disney turns a franchise such as Brave, Princess and the Frog, the Good Dinosaur (Pixar upcoming), or others I like into a theme park attraction . . . I won't not only be not disappointed, but I would be ecstatic.

    Anyway, I gotta say DLR is on the upswing. I think some APers are feeling a bit anticlimatic after Carsland/BVS opened (hasn't even been a year!), but excitement over new projects will no doubt grow once again.
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    Re: It's Happening ... I'm Getting Over Disney

    Quote Originally Posted by fifthrider View Post
    As prices go up, people stop buying APs and making as many trips to the park.
    Quote Originally Posted by Steve DeGaetano View Post
    While obviously a small subset of fans, you would think this trend would be of some concern to Disney...
    Then why are the parks SO PACKED. If prices go up and people stop buying AP's or if people choose USH or Knotts over Disney...why are the crowds still there?

    That is a phenomonan that always baffled me. It's like for everyone in here who says they will not be renewing...5 more families of 4 renew all their passes. I don't get it.

    Quote Originally Posted by pyttius View Post
    They are looking forward to going on a rainy day and getting their free hot chocolate. LOL.
    Universal does that!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by clara View Post
    Then why are the parks SO PACKED. If prices go up and people stop buying AP's or if people choose USH or Knotts over Disney...why are the crowds still there?
    I think this is due in large part to John Lasseter's commitment to quality. Carsland is a major hit, and as Al Lutz mentioned, guests are even more bullish about re-experiencing Carsland when compared to the ratings Indy got when it opened. I have a tendency to head to Carsland when arriving at the resort, more than just "placemaking" it feels like a really special place, and the rides are a lot of fun, even Luigi's if just for the novelty. Carsland could become one of those "legacy" areas of Disneyland that folks come to see time and time again just because it feels special.

    I think APers with burn-out, who are more sensitive to over crowding in the parks because they've experience the less crowded parks, sort of attract attention by declaring Universal "better" than Disney. Everybody has their opinion and no doubt there are folks who have gone to Disney once, and are regular APers at Universal . . . But there isn't much novelty in talking about the Uni APers who bailed for Disneyland.

    Anyway . . . Disney isn't worried about APers who drop out of the program, they're busy building wheelbarrows to cart off all the money they're making.
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    Re: It's Happening ... I'm Getting Over Disney

    Quote Originally Posted by chesirecat View Post
    I think APers with burn-out, who are more sensitive to over crowding in the parks because they've experience the less crowded parks, sort of attract attention by declaring Universal "better" than Disney. Everybody has their opinion and no doubt there are folks who have gone to Disney once, and are regular APers at Universal . . . But there isn't much novelty in talking about the Uni APers who bailed for Disneyland.
    This is a good point. However APers are just more vocal about overcrowding because they go all the time. When a family of 4 from across the US comes on their once a year vacation, they often experience such long waits for not just good rides but also food. They endure consistant break downs and difficulties seeing parades or shows, but you don't hear them on MiceChat. They tell friends in their area and it eventually creates a feeling like "what are my other vacation options?".

    Disney has created the standard of the apex of family entertainment. It's their job to uphold that because in my mind and many other's, it's eroding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disneylandfan85 View Post
    Maybe it is, but they're probably just not openly saying anything about it.
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the number of APers growing? And millions more are visiting DLR because of BVS/Carsland?

    Not sure how the price increase will affect the number of APers, though I'm sure Al will provide us with an update on that at some point.

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    Re: It's Happening ... I'm Getting Over Disney

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve DeGaetano View Post
    While obviously a small subset of fans, you would think this trend would be of some concern to Disney...
    Pretty sure Disney has the actual data of non-renewals, and is not using MiceChat as their only source of information.
    Their concern should be that the non-renewals are not increasing fast enough.
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