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    Re: Fast Pass Return Times to be Enforced In Spring

    Quote Originally Posted by Quarar44 View Post
    entitled
    There's the key word.
    You're not entitled to use a fastpass after it has expired just because you paid admission to get into the park. You think you should be, but you're actually not. No one is.
    If it's too difficult to get your entire group to the ride within the fastpass window, then perhaps you shouldn't be using fastpass at all.

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    Re: Fast Pass Return Times to be Enforced In Spring

    Quote Originally Posted by The International View Post
    You can have your moral outrage, I'll be on Radiator Springs Racers after dark
    Let me know how well that works out for you once they finally start enforcing the rule.

    Quote Originally Posted by Quarar44 View Post
    we don't chose what time is best for us.
    Actually, you do get to choose what time is best for you. The fastpass distribution areas all prominently display the fastpass return times that are currently being distributed. If that time is not going to work for you, come back later and get one that will work. Or you could always ride standby. Missing your window does not mean that you can’t ride. It just means that you lost your place in line the same way as if you had a real person holding your spot and you didn’t get back in time to ride it.
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    Re: Fast Pass Return Times to be Enforced In Spring

    Quote Originally Posted by Quarar44 View Post
    Here's my opinion. The leniency on the fastpass return times GREATLY helps us out when we're on the annual Disneyland trip with 10-12 family members in our group. It's very hard to get EVERYONE (including the young kids and old grandparents) to zigzag across the park to get from ride to ride within the hour we are given. Because we are allowed to come back anytime after our fastpass is given, it relieves a lot of the stress of running around the park by giving us more flexibility, making the time at the park more relaxing and enjoyable for everyone. Also, because we are giving up about $90+ per person, I think we should be entitled to just a little bit of leniency on our return times, especially because we don't chose what time is best for us. It's just too difficult to get everyone in the group to make it in the hour we are given, so I thank Disney for making our lives just a little bit easier, and I hope that this rumor turns out to be false.
    I'm not even going into how much this post irritated me.

    Like someone else said, if you can't manage to get everyone in your group in the same place at the same time then maybe you shouldn't use the FP system. With that many people branching off into groups, or whatever, you might as well just wait in the standby lines whenever you want to ride something or get separate FastPasses at different times.

    It is basic responsibility. If you have a FP window from 1:30 to 2:30 then set a time within that window and tell your group to be back at the ride then. If they aren't then oh well. Hopefully the line they were standing in was more worth it. I have taken trips to Disneyland with large groups before and both times we never had issues setting a time to meet somewhere.
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    Re: Fast Pass Return Times to be Enforced In Spring

    Quote Originally Posted by DrFink View Post
    It is basic responsibility. If you have a FP window from 1:30 to 2:30 then set a time within that window and tell your group to be back at the ride then. If they aren't then oh well.
    Exactly. It's the same as getting a large group together to go see a movie. If a couple people are late, the theater isn't going to rewind to the beginning just for the few who couldn't get their act together and make it there on time.
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    Re: Fast Pass Return Times to be Enforced In Spring

    Quote Originally Posted by calsig31 View Post
    Exactly. It's the same as getting a large group together to go see a movie. If a couple people are late, the theater is t going to rewind to the beginning just for the few who couldn't get their act together and make it there on time.
    But I paid my $14!! I should be entitled to that..
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    Re: Fast Pass Return Times to be Enforced In Spring

    It's your birthday and you think you're entitled to a pin? Your kid thinks she's entitled to meet Mickey? You think you're entitled to ask for the front seat on Space Mountain and get to sit there? Who ARE you people?

    Your theater analogy, like the jaywalking analogy, is completely flawed. In Disney's case, they realized that strictly enforcing the times was causing more problems and shifted their policy to fix that. Exactly the opposite of what's happening in your strained comparison.

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    Re: Fast Pass Return Times to be Enforced In Spring

    We took advantage of the leniency in the system for years and while it offered us great flexibility I'm all for them actually using the system the way it was intended. It will be interesting to see what, if any effect this has on lines.

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    Re: Fast Pass Return Times to be Enforced In Spring

    Quote Originally Posted by The International View Post
    It's your birthday and you think you're entitled to a pin? Your kid thinks she's entitled to meet Mickey? You think you're entitled to ask for the front seat on Space Mountain and get to sit there? Who ARE you people?
    All of these are completely within the rules. It is not entitlement. You can ask for a birthday button. If they have one in stock, they will give it to you.

    Same thing with meeting Mickey. Disney has made this real easy now with designated meeting areas. Just wait in line and meet with him.

    Asking for a front seat on a ride is also within the rules. You may have to wait for an additional train to go by, but there is no rule being broken.

    On the other hand, coming back 5 hours later for a fastpass is against the rules. Rules which are printed right on the ticket itself. Disney just doesn't enforce that rule... yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by The International View Post
    Your theater analogy, like the jaywalking analogy, is completely flawed. In Disney's case, they realized that strictly enforcing the times was causing more problems and shifted their policy to fix that. Exactly the opposite of what's happening in your strained comparison.
    Those analogies were spot on. One was regarding a rule not being enforced as still being a rule. The other regarded the consequences of coming back late for something at a prestated time.

    As with all analogies, however they are subject to the reader's interpretation of them. I can't help that.
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    Re: Fast Pass Return Times to be Enforced In Spring

    I just hope there is proper time to announce the change. The only reason I say that is because WDW got the same amount of warning, so why not us?

    And I'm kind of tired of everyone jumping on those who do return after the window. I never ever did it until I had a CM specifically tell me last year that it was fine and to not worry about it. So this is a training issue and not a guest being a jerk issue. DL did NOT train their CMs to enforce their own rule, therefore the rule is pretty useless. I will happily abide when it does become enforced, but I will continue to do it when there is no enforcement.

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    Re: Fast Pass Return Times to be Enforced In Spring

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    It's your birthday and you think you're entitled to a pin?
    The pins are for 'what are you celebrating?' - Disney choses to hand them out. If they don't.. then no pin.

    Quote Originally Posted by The International View Post
    Your kid thinks she's entitled to meet Mickey?
    If Mickey is being offered for M&G.. then people are free to wait for them. Where's the entitlement in that?

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    You think you're entitled to ask for the front seat on Space Mountain and get to sit there?
    You are free to ASK... Disney allows it as a courtesy. Again, where's the entitlement in asking?

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    Your theater analogy, like the jaywalking analogy, is completely flawed
    No - they were fine.. what is flawed is where you came up with that list of entitlements people were claiming...
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    Re: Fast Pass Return Times to be Enforced In Spring

    Quote Originally Posted by flynnibus View Post
    The pins are for 'what are you celebrating?' - Disney choses to hand them out. If they don't.. then no pin.

    If Mickey is being offered for M&G.. then people are free to wait for them. Where's the entitlement in that?

    You are free to ASK... Disney allows it as a courtesy. Again, where's the entitlement in asking?

    No - they were fine.. what is flawed is where you came up with that list of entitlements people were claiming...
    Ahh, so we agree. Disney has chosen, for the last decade, to allow people to show up at any time after the window begins. And so, people are free to do so

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    Re: Fast Pass Return Times to be Enforced In Spring

    Quote Originally Posted by flynnibus View Post
    But I paid my $14!! I should be entitled to that..
    This kind of sarcasm, I think, is uncalled for and doesn't contribute anything.

    Regardless, I do agree that Fastpasses should have the time limits enforced. Especially when the two parks are in walking distance and you can just rack em up between parks. Logistics and analogies aside, think of it this way; like a previous poster said, she did not know the times weren't enforced until a CM told her otherwise--I think this is the case with most guests. They come back when they think they have to. It's not fair that some people should be able to (for lack of a better word) 'abuse' this system while others who aren't in the know can't and are stuck revolving their day around something that doesn't really need to be revolved upon. Essentially, everyone's on an even playing field now, and there are no upper hands in FP planning based on how frequently you come and how 'in the know' you are. Everything is fair.

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    Re: Fast Pass Return Times to be Enforced In Spring

    Quote Originally Posted by TylerDurden View Post
    Regardless, I do agree that Fastpasses should have the time limits enforced. Especially when the two parks are in walking distance and you can just rack em up between parks. Logistics and analogies aside, think of it this way; like a previous poster said, she did not know the times weren't enforced until a CM told her otherwise--I think this is the case with most guests. They come back when they think they have to. It's not fair that some people should be able to (for lack of a better word) 'abuse' this system while others who aren't in the know can't and are stuck revolving their day around something that doesn't really need to be revolved upon. Essentially, everyone's on an even playing field now, and there are no upper hands in FP planning based on how frequently you come and how 'in the know' you are. Everything is fair.
    This pretty much sums it up.
    "You can cut me off from the civilized world. You can incarcerate me with two moronic cellmates. You can torture me with your thrice daily swill, but you cannot break the spirit of a Winchester. My voice shall be heard from this wilderness and I shall be delivered from this fetid and festering sewer."

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    Re: Fast Pass Return Times to be Enforced In Spring

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    You can have your moral outrage, I'll be on Radiator Springs Racers after dark
    +4

    If they ever get around to enforcing return times, so be it. As long as it is acceptable to CM's for us to return at times that work best for us, we will be using our FP's thus. Long live flexible fastpass!

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    Re: Fast Pass Return Times to be Enforced In Spring

    Quote Originally Posted by calsig31 View Post
    Exactly. It's the same as getting a large group together to go see a movie. If a couple people are late, the theater isn't going to rewind to the beginning just for the few who couldn't get their act together and make it there on time.
    I think a better comparison would be if you show up to an 8 o'clock showing with tickets from a 5 o'clock showing and the theater willingly exchanges your tickets for you and lets you in.

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