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    Re: "Escape from Tomorrow" movie filmed in Disneyland secretly

    Quote Originally Posted by The International View Post
    You're about as vital to this film as the people walking in the back of a news segment are... basically, not at all, beyond the fact that you're an ambulatory human.
    It is much more than that. The lead actor confirmed in that video clip that he interacted with people who had no idea a movie was being filmed.

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    the moral arguments against him are kind of exaggerated.
    What is being exaggerated about being against IP theft and exploiting people's images without their permission?
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    Re: "Escape from Tomorrow" movie filmed in Disneyland secretly

    Those are legal arguments, not moral ones. As I've said, he has no legal leg to stand on, but morality and legality are often two completely different things---especially when it's a type of art or performance that literally could not have existed from a technological standpoint even 10 years ago. Like... if you're only in this film because you happened to be at the right place at the right (or wrong) time, and you don't know you're acting or even in a movie... are you an actor?

    Again, this is the internet age. People have, for better or for worse, their likenesses used and remixed and altered without their consent all the time. Meme images, for one, aren't known for getting consent from the subject. I maintain that there are a number of very interesting questions that this film raises, and I'm glad it exists... I hope to see it someday!

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    Re: "Escape from Tomorrow" movie filmed in Disneyland secretly

    Quote Originally Posted by flynnibus View Post
    This is like saying the Snow White and the seven dwarves porno is good for Disney because its 'free advertising' and doesn't bad mouth Disney....
    haha no no...this is a film not an "adult" film

    This is an Indy film not some thing adults shield there kids from, this movie is and will not hurt the parks
    its just a talking points about the parks now

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    Re: "Escape from Tomorrow" movie filmed in Disneyland secretly

    Only in California would people who are walking around not doing anything and happen to be part of a background shot claim to have been "working without compensation."

    I'm not contending that what the filmmaker did was right, but to suggest that you were working?! How on earth can you work without knowledge that you're working?

    Give me a break.

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    Re: "Escape from Tomorrow" movie filmed in Disneyland secretly

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    That's a scary resemblance to Dustysage!!
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    Re: "Escape from Tomorrow" movie filmed in Disneyland secretly

    Quote Originally Posted by Disneymike View Post
    Pictures or it does not exist.....
    the evil queen could not use google to find snow white.. but you can...
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    Re: "Escape from Tomorrow" movie filmed in Disneyland secretly

    Quote Originally Posted by WDWFigment View Post
    Only in California would people who are walking around not doing anything and happen to be part of a background shot claim to have been "working without compensation."

    I'm not contending that what the filmmaker did was right, but to suggest that you were working?! How on earth can you work without knowledge that you're working?

    Give me a break.
    The problem is that you are essentially working without knowledge. If there was a sign saying that by entering a certain area you are giving permission to the production company to film you for free, that's one choice. But if you are not given a choice to be used for a commercially marketed product, that's another.

    When you walk into a theme park, you are allowing that theme park to use your image as you'd like without additional permission. That is a risk you are aware of. But the people who ended up making it in this film without knowing it were no aware of the content or the context that they were being used as.

    What if this was an adult film? If you were used in it without you knowing, would you be just fine with it? What if the person who was filmed is morally opposed to those types of films, but now they are a character in one?

    All I was saying about working is that I have worked background before in public settings (mainly colleges). Those of us hired to be there were paid nicely for doing so. And all the students at that college who were not paid were given the option to not be seen.

    If I ended up in this movie, I would have appreciated the option to not be seen or the knowledge of what they were doing.

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    Re: "Escape from Tomorrow" movie filmed in Disneyland secretly

    Quote Originally Posted by seafaring_ghost View Post
    So you find it funny that a fair number of us dislike the fact that this berk broke numerous laws in making a film of a dubious nature without securing the permission of the unpaid extras, location management or the property holders. This man is nothing but a p*** poor publicity hound who is too full of himself to follow the laws and regulations regarding what he did.
    Yes, I do find it amusing. I'm not trying to be rude but it just seems like most members in this thread are getting upset just to have something to be upset about.

    As an artist myself, I think it's awesome that Moore not only thought of the concept but figured out a way to execute it without anyone knowing. Whether or not he broke any laws remains to be seen, but I think what he did was pretty darn cool.

    just my opinion.

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    Re: "Escape from Tomorrow" movie filmed in Disneyland secretly

    Quote Originally Posted by DL Lover in LA View Post
    The problem is that you are essentially working without knowledge.
    His problem is that you associate 'working' with what was really 'I was going about my normal business'

    The people in the background here never altered their day at all - how does anyone call that 'working'?

    It's not like when you were 'working' as an extra and had to look normal, avoid staring, behave a certain way, be certain places, do multiple takes, etc. These people were doing just what they would have done anyways.

    Right of publicity aside... to call what they were doing 'working' is a bit of a farce.
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    Re: "Escape from Tomorrow" movie filmed in Disneyland secretly

    Quote Originally Posted by flynnibus View Post
    His problem is that you associate 'working' with what was really 'I was going about my normal business'

    The people in the background here never altered their day at all - how does anyone call that 'working'?

    It's not like when you were 'working' as an extra and had to look normal, avoid staring, behave a certain way, be certain places, do multiple takes, etc. These people were doing just what they would have done anyways.

    Right of publicity aside... to call what they were doing 'working' is a bit of a farce.
    I understand that point. I might not have expressed my point as well as I should have.

    I'm using the term "working" as appearing in a film that is being used for a commercial purpose. Those people were not given the option to not appear.

    It would be the same as if there was a live webcam website with a hidden camera at your gym or somewhere. People are paying money to watch you do exactly what you would do whether or not a camera is there. I don't think it is fair to profit off someone's image that way without giving those people to option to not be on camera.

    I might just be extra sensitive about this issue because this is how I make my living. If something I did in a normal day was used in a film for profit without my knowledge or approval, I'd be very upset.

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    Re: "Escape from Tomorrow" movie filmed in Disneyland secretly

    Quote Originally Posted by DL Lover in LA View Post
    I understand that point. I might not have expressed my point as well as I should have.

    I'm using the term "working" as appearing in a film that is being used for a commercial purpose. Those people were not given the option to not appear.

    It would be the same as if there was a live webcam website with a hidden camera at your gym or somewhere. People are paying money to watch you do exactly what you would do whether or not a camera is there. I don't think it is fair to profit off someone's image that way without giving those people to option to not be on camera.

    I might just be extra sensitive about this issue because this is how I make my living. If something I did in a normal day was used in a film for profit without my knowledge or approval, I'd be very upset.
    Which is why he should distribute the film for free online. No profit in that.

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    Re: "Escape from Tomorrow" movie filmed in Disneyland secretly

    Quote Originally Posted by Retrocool View Post
    C'mon, folks, admit it - if this had been filmed at Busch Gardens or a Six Flags or Cedar Park location, or some other vacation spot like Hawaii or the Grand Canyon, none of you would be clamoring for this guy's head on a platter. It's only because it was done at Disneyland and WDW that you're all so outraged.

    I sure hope from now on, whenever you visit the parks, and you spot someone shooting video from an ordinary camera, that you start hiding your faces like crime suspects on their way to court do. Wouldn't want you to wind up on some monetized YouTube channel or some indie movie, you know.
    nope. if it did happen at any other park i'd be just as disgusted


    Quote Originally Posted by calsig31 View Post
    No, it's only because it was at Disneyland that we know about it. I know I, and I'm sure most others would feel that what this guy did was just as scummy at any other location.
    calsig is right and goes with what i said above..

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    Re: "Escape from Tomorrow" movie filmed in Disneyland secretly

    Quote Originally Posted by MaloCS View Post
    it just seems like most members in this thread are getting upset just to have something to be upset about.
    Being against IP theft and invasion of privacy is hardly "getting upset just to have something to be upset about"

    Quote Originally Posted by Retrocool View Post
    Which is why he should distribute the film for free online. No profit in that.
    Again, not all profit is monetary.
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    Re: "Escape from Tomorrow" movie filmed in Disneyland secretly

    Quote Originally Posted by orbitalpunk View Post
    Actually criticism, comment, news reporting are protected under the Fair Use Act. The selling of artwork is not. So sites posting updates are fine.
    Very debatable when one is on property. Just ask the TPR team/Robb Alvey.
    Since the on property topic is the main issue with this film maker, I think there is a correlation. Mr. Alvey commented about how Disney could shut down and/or limit Disney park news sites if they so choose. I am speaking of sites that post pics of what is going on in the parks (and make a profit).

    One or two pics from OUTSIDE the berm is fair use. More than a few pics inside the berm is not. It is why one NEVER sees news crews flocking to any news event inside the park (eg. the BTMRR accident).

    I love MC, but I am not diluted like some members who think this film maker is some evil-doer. He is more like MC than many members are giving him credit for.
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    Re: "Escape from Tomorrow" movie filmed in Disneyland secretly

    Quote Originally Posted by The International View Post
    What's the difference between being photographed for this film and being photographed in the background of a Dateline Disneyland update?
    Voila.
    I am so glad you went there. (Sorry, I am trying to catch up - been away for a while).
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