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    Re: "Escape from Tomorrow" movie filmed in Disneyland secretly

    I think it's also interesting to note that Disney themselves have gotten around the law for much more commercial productions than this guy. The best example for this board? Soarin'....you're fooling yourself if you think they filmed the LA segment with a permit and full permission from the City of Los Angeles. So what now? Disney's a bunch of hypocrites? Erik, I'm sure you made a great film and I respect that you did it the hard way following all the rules but in the film industry, lots of people work around the rules, big and small...it's become a pretty common thing.

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    Re: "Escape from Tomorrow" movie filmed in Disneyland secretly

    Tyler,

    Most of the people who work in the industry, work very hard to follow the rules and respect the community and people we work around. This is true for several reasons - first, we need to be certain that the work we are doing will not have any legal encumbrances when we try to sell it or release it or hand it over to the commissioning network for broadcast. Second, and almost as important, we want to be welcome in the places where we film. If we run over everyone we meet, we will not likely a welcome back in the future.

    You can be absolutely certain that the Walt Disney Company - if they themselves commissioned the Soarin' flight film - had it properly permitted to whatever extent possible. If it was produced by a third-party, like MacGillivray-Freeman films, you would know that that the producers would have provided the Disney company with express written assurance of no encumbrances along with supporting documentation, including all necessary clearances collected during the production of same.

    Having worked on a couple of the Robin Williams features in the 1990s from Walt Disney Pictures, I can tell you firsthand that they are a professional outfit at every level. If you observe the way Disney runs their parks, I find it hard to believe that you could think the Disney company would conduct themselves any differently when making a movie than they do in the very orderly (and very cautious) way they run their parks.

    Actually, suggesting that the Disney company has conducted themselves in this way borders on libel or slander.
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    Re: "Escape from Tomorrow" movie filmed in Disneyland secretly

    Quote Originally Posted by Erik Olson View Post
    Tyler,

    Most of the people who work in the industry, work very hard to follow the rules and respect the community and people we work around. This is true for several reasons - first, we need to be certain that the work we are doing will not have any legal encumbrances when we try to sell it or release it or hand it over to the commissioning network for broadcast. Second, and almost as important, we want to be welcome in the places where we film. If we run over everyone we meet, we will not likely a welcome back in the future.

    You can be absolutely certain that the Walt Disney Company - if they themselves commissioned the Soarin' flight film - had it properly permitted to whatever extent possible. If it was produced by a third-party, like MacGillivray-Freeman films, you would know that that the producers would have provided the Disney company with express written assurance of no encumbrances along with supporting documentation, including all necessary clearances collected during the production of same.

    Having worked on a couple of the Robin Williams features in the 1990s from Walt Disney Pictures, I can tell you firsthand that they are a professional outfit at every level. If you observe the way Disney runs their parks, I find it hard to believe that you could think the Disney company would conduct themselves any differently when making a movie than they do in the very orderly (and very cautious) way they run their parks.

    Actually, suggesting that the Disney company has conducted themselves in this way borders on libel or slander.
    Lol, look it up, they were not given permission to film in LA. It's not libel, it's true...that statement just exemplifies the problem with this thread--taking what 'might be breaking some kinda rule' and applying it to everything and everyone without thinking it through. But I appreciate you calling me out on that :-)

    And I've had several internships in the film industry (presumably different places than you) and even though that's not the career I pursued, the first thing I learned was that as long as you know the right people or know the right techniques, you can get around whatever you want. It's cutthroat.

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    Re: "Escape from Tomorrow" movie filmed in Disneyland secretly

    Filming of Soarin' took forever because Disney had to get so many permits - they waited a year in some cases. As for the LA scene, Disney didn't break any laws. It's perfectly legal to film the freeway/skyline from a helicopter and there aren't any laws regulating that flight path. It's only within the last two years that there's even been any thought of regulating helicopter flights over LA: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/26/us...anted=all&_r=0

    For the rest, Disney got permits every place necessary to film Soarin'. Oh, and by the way, all of the surfers/climbers/golfers who appeared were...can you guess...paid actors who consented to be there! The golfer is Michael Eisner, in fact...

    Are there a few cases where film studios have broken the law? Yeah...and they've been taken to court and sanctioned for them. The courts just don't hold up their hands and say "oh well, it's art, go right ahead, son!" And those regulations are in place to protect everyone, actors and crew alike. When they're not followed they can have catastrophic consequences. Case in point: the three actors who died during the Twilight Zone filming, because the director decided to get around child labor and safety laws.

    Back to Soarin, though. Getting the permit to film on the aircraft carrier took a year to arrange with the Navy. Do you honestly think they'd cross their t's and dot their i's for the entire film and then say "hey, we will just wing it in LA!" Their shots were 100% legal. Here are some of the others, from WDW Magic:

    Yosemite scene:
    Because airspace inside national park boundaries is protected, it took several months for the film crew to obtain permission to fly a helicopter into Yosemite National Park. The last time a helicopter was permitted to fly through Yosemite was in the mid-1900s, when a flood had closed the park to visitors.



    Though it may be hard to see them, mountain climbers in the Yosemite sequence are making their way along a cliff face before the waterfall comes into view. The six members of the Yosemite Mountaineering School spent an entire day before the shoot placing pitons for handholds and footholds during filming.

    Montery:
    Because of the status of Monterey/Point Lobos as a marine sanctuary, it took a year to obtain all of the necessary permits to film that sequence.
    Anza-Borrego:
    There is a scene in the film in which horses and riders gallop through Anza-Borrego Desert State Park. Prior to filming this scene, the crew was required to hire an archaeological team to perform a biological and paleontological resource assessment. In other words, the team hand-dusted the area from Fonts Wash to Fonts Point -- a four-mile stretch of trail -- in order to be sure no artifacts would be disturbed by the horses and riders.



    In the Anza-Borrego shot, the Thunderbirds fly over the horseback riders. Many meetings with Air Force personnel were required to set up this shot. Flight paths for both the Thunderbirds and the helicopter film crew had to be carefully charted and arranged.
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    Re: "Escape from Tomorrow" movie filmed in Disneyland secretly

    look it up

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    Re: "Escape from Tomorrow" movie filmed in Disneyland secretly

    Quote Originally Posted by TylerDurden View Post
    look it up
    Honey, nobody needs to "look it up." There's nothing TO look up because it's not true. An urban legend you heard somewhere doesn't count as fact. Disney didn't need a permit to film over LA, any more than you would. It's a public thoroughfare. There are helicopters filming over LA every single day. Disney has an army of lawyers and they've been in this business for almost 100 years. In the past they've gone to the trouble of getting permits to film things as inconsequential as a lighthouse instead of just doing it. If they needed a permit to film the LA freeway from above, they'd have obtained one. Or they would have bought stock footage.
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    Re: "Escape from Tomorrow" movie filmed in Disneyland secretly

    As I said, the accusation is baseless and you make it to your detriment. You're not changing the facts by repeating the fiction.
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    Re: "Escape from Tomorrow" movie filmed in Disneyland secretly

    This thread has degenerated, seemingly, into back and forth arguing over who is 'more right' about the legality of this. Without footage, solid information, or action by Disney, it seemingly degenerated into a series of personal debates with little bearing on Disneyland the park or the way the film uses it, if at all (since no one yet knows on this forum, and only vague reviews from some newspapers).

    For that reason, this thread is closed. A new one may be started when there is actual news or a solid place to view footage or stills/material from the film that pertains to Disneyland or was filmed there, or the company itself addresses this matter.

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