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    Re: "Escape from Tomorrow" movie filmed in Disneyland secretly

    Quote Originally Posted by Quentin View Post
    Realistically it's impossible to make this film go away. If Disney tries to take legal action against it, it will become possibly more popular than it would without their comment. Once a major corporation comes out against it more people will want to see it. It will receive more attention than Disney wants, so I think they are safe just being quiet on it. They can't make the film go away, all it takes is one person to put it on the internet. Then it is out there for ever.
    No, but if 100 people who were used in this film without consent sue this guy for damages and get a cease and desist issued, it can certainly knock down the guy's ability to market or profit from it. They could ostensibly even get a judgment against his future earnings.

    I'd guess that the public would be a lot more sympathetic to Aunt Millie from Iowa who appeared in this film without payment or consent than they would Disney.

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    Re: "Escape from Tomorrow" movie filmed in Disneyland secretly

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wiggins View Post
    That might be because, like many people, you see IP theft as an essentially victimless crime, especially if the victim is a big, wealthy corporation like Disney. Your view would likely change if you were the creator and owner of the IPs that Moore used without your permission for his own benefit -- IPs upon which you relied for your livelihood and that of your family -- and if you discovered he had used your children as extras in his movie without your knowledge or permission.
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    Yes...This is not nor will it hurt Disney, if it was someone with a smaller park I would love to see them get a cut...but at least you get FREE advertisement

    as for me or my children in a Movie...YES YES YES...how could would that be to be an extra in a movie...as long as they aren't making fun of someone then sure I'd love to be an extra

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    Re: "Escape from Tomorrow" movie filmed in Disneyland secretly

    Quote Originally Posted by JerrodDRagon View Post
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    Yes...This is not nor will it hurt Disney, if it was someone with a smaller park I would love to see them get a cut...but at least you get FREE advertisement

    as for me or my children in a Movie...YES YES YES...how could would that be to be an extra in a movie...as long as they aren't making fun of someone then sure I'd love to be an extra
    You do know that extras get paid, right? It's a job like anything else. So how would you feel to be tricked into doing a job for free that other people get paid $100/day to do?

    Also go back and look at what this film is about - still feel comfortable being a part of a film about an adult stalking and creeping on teenage girls?

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    Re: "Escape from Tomorrow" movie filmed in Disneyland secretly

    Interesting thing I found while on Twitter Escape from Tomorrow, Disney World, and the Law of Fair Use : The New Yorker
    Just thought I should share it. I don't if it's been posted yet though.
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    Re: "Escape from Tomorrow" movie filmed in Disneyland secretly

    Having not seen the film, it is difficult to say whether this fellow set out to satirize Disney parks or if they merely served as a convenient Cabinet for the Dr. Caligari in his narrative. The attorneys, of which Disney has legions poised for IP defense, will decide whether their brand is tarnished by this film outing.

    There will likely be civil action against this filmmaker (perhaps beginning years from now, when B.O. receipts are tallied), from persons unwittingly depicted in his movie, which apparently took their image without requisite express release forms normally reserved for prominently featured background players and / or people with dialogue. Due to the nature of his activity, which put him squarely in conflict with the guest guidelines for use of the park, even the obligatory mass-release notice the rest of the world uses for large crowds was skipped.

    Contrary to what some say here, mass-release notices are indeed the norm for releasing crowds, even when those released don't play prominently. These are in-place on any feature, television show, music video, concert, sports event and on and on, with fairly common language that is accepted in most states and municipalities.
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    Re: "Escape from Tomorrow" movie filmed in Disneyland secretly

    Quote Originally Posted by Malina View Post
    You do know that extras get paid, right? It's a job like anything else. So how would you feel to be tricked into doing a job for free that other people get paid $100/day to do?

    Also go back and look at what this film is about - still feel comfortable being a part of a film about an adult stalking and creeping on teenage girls?
    I didn't do anything though.....the extra's have a job to do on set...I'm ust enjoying my vacation and happen to be on video

    The film does not seem like my kinda film but since it was shot at WDW...it has my interest which is most likely why he filmed it there to get people to talk about it and gain interest....which he succeed at in full

    And the world is not black and white like Disney paints it..this is a indy film Epoct blows up from what i hear....so I'm fine with Disneyland being used as a setting for a strange film as long as it doesn't hurt the company..which this film is not doing..if anything it makes me think about Disney more and how I want to go there

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    Re: "Escape from Tomorrow" movie filmed in Disneyland secretly

    Quote Originally Posted by flynnibus View Post

    Just a little taste to ground this a bit..
    "The father imagines that his son and a creepy man in a wheelchair want to kill him. He also becomes obsessed with a pair of sexy teen-age French girls, and he trails them around the park inappropriately. A nurse warns him that he may contract the cat flu. In the end, his fears are warranted: he is captured and tortured by secret agents, his son turns on him, and he dies a gruesome death that involves coughing up huge hairballs"

    Escape from Tomorrow, Disney World, and the Law of Fair Use : The New Yorker

    and includes scenes like princesses trying to squash a child.. parks getting blown up.. etc.

    Wow, even without all the legal issues, this sounds like a terrible movie. I'm a little unclear as to why anyone would want to watch this.

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    Re: "Escape from Tomorrow" movie filmed in Disneyland secretly

    Quote Originally Posted by JerrodDRagon View Post
    I didn't do anything though.....the extra's have a job to do on set...I'm ust enjoying my vacation and happen to be on video
    That's exactly the point.


    Quote Originally Posted by JerrodDRagon View Post
    ....so I'm fine with Disneyland being used as a setting for a strange film as long as it doesn't hurt the company..which this film is not doing...
    By those standards, you would also be fine with any film crew shooting any "strange film" they want to make on any private business or any private property (including yours), secretly, without the knowledge or permission of the property owners (including you), as long as the filmmakers think their film "doesn't hurt you" -- including, of course, the film using the images of copyrighted characters that you had invented... right?

    Or does your revocation of longstanding property, privacy and copyright laws apply only to Disneyland?
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    Re: "Escape from Tomorrow" movie filmed in Disneyland secretly

    Quote Originally Posted by Erik Olson View Post
    Contrary to what some say here, mass-release notices are indeed the norm for releasing crowds, even when those released don't play prominently. These are in-place on any feature, television show, music video, concert, sports event and on and on, with fairly common language that is accepted in most states and municipalities.
    The 'norm' and 'legally required' are not the same though. 'The Norm' is often used to blanket CYA against legal risks.

    For instance.. in FL, there is a state law saying you can't
    No person shall publish, print, display or otherwise publicly use for purposes of trade or for any commercial or advertising purpose the name, portrait, photograph, or other likeness of any natural person without the express written or oral consent to such use given by:
    But there are exceptions, like:
    (c) Any photograph of a person solely as a member of the public and where such person is not named or otherwise identified in or in connection with the use of such photograph.
    Florida Statutes 540.08 - Unauthorized publication of name or likeness :: Lawserver
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    But this requires interpretation - hence it's 'the norm' to just require releases from everyone.. so then you don't have this open interpretation haunting you. However, that does not mean you legally are REQUIRED to get releases from everyone.

    Cali has a similar right to publicity statute.. that also has exemptions for when the individually is not singled out as an individual
    (3)A person or persons shall be considered to be represented as members of a definable group if they are represented in the photograph solely as a result of being present at the time the photograph was taken and have not been singled out as individuals in any manner.
    CAL. CIV. CODE 3344 : California Code - Section 3344
    California Right of Publicity Law | Citizen Media Law Project

    So they have a legal basis to be able to film people anonymously in a crowd/background without releases. Because again.. what is being protected is your LIKENESS and how it may be associated with things.
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    Re: "Escape from Tomorrow" movie filmed in Disneyland secretly

    Quote Originally Posted by theworldneedscolor View Post
    Wow, even without all the legal issues, this sounds like a terrible movie. I'm a little unclear as to why anyone would want to watch this.
    the reviews even say it's not a good film.. its getting a lot of attention because of the placesetting (Disney) and the boldness of the creator to undertake this right under their noses and without consent. It leads to a curiosity and eagerness to see 'how they did it' and what the result looks like. Unfortunately from the reviews, it sounds like they had a starting concept.. and then didn't really know how to wrap it up so they threw everything and the kitchen sink in.
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    Re: "Escape from Tomorrow" movie filmed in Disneyland secretly

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wiggins View Post
    That's exactly the point.




    By those standards, you would also be fine with any film crew shooting any "strange film" they want to make on any private business or any private property (including yours), secretly, without the knowledge or permission of the property owners (including you), as long as the filmmakers think their film "doesn't hurt you" -- including, of course, the film using the images of copyrighted characters that you had invented... right?

    Or does your revocation of longstanding property, privacy and copyright laws apply only to Disneyland?
    First I'd be open to at least talk with the film makers about the film first...second as long as the film did not try to say my company was "bad" then I'd want a small cut of profits and sure go ahead, as long as they aren't ruining the flow of my park then why would i care...its FREE advertising

    Like I said before...they got us and many other's to talk about WDW....thats a good thing and it cost Disney ZERO dollars

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    Re: "Escape from Tomorrow" movie filmed in Disneyland secretly

    I do not like the creepiness of this at a Disney park, maybe another park, but not a family place. I also do not like the lack of written consent for the regular park goer or Cast member.

    Personally I do not like the thought that I may be in the background. I have some medical issues that already make me feel very extremely self conscious and half the time I won't let friends and family film or take pictures of me.

    I also feel bad that one of those families could be in witness protection and just trying to have a good time with their family.
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    Re: "Escape from Tomorrow" movie filmed in Disneyland secretly

    Quote Originally Posted by JerrodDRagon View Post
    First I'd be open to at least talk with the film makers about the film first...second as long as the film did not try to say my company was "bad" then I'd want a small cut of profits and sure go ahead, as long as they aren't ruining the flow of my park then why would i care...its FREE advertising
    This is like saying the Snow White and the seven dwarves porno is good for Disney because its 'free advertising' and doesn't bad mouth Disney....
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    Re: "Escape from Tomorrow" movie filmed in Disneyland secretly

    I was wondering if the film is done documentary style or parody, the filmmaker will have more rights than someone merely doing a film.

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    Re: "Escape from Tomorrow" movie filmed in Disneyland secretly

    Quote Originally Posted by flynnibus View Post
    This is like saying the Snow White and the seven dwarves porno is good for Disney because its 'free advertising' and doesn't bad mouth Disney....
    I had to LOL at your comment! Great point!

    I won't even bother watching this "film" as the premise is creepy. And because I don't want the chance of wasting 90-120 minutes of a day on something crappy, I do read reviews and see what they say.

    This movie seems like it's worse than Jersey Shore... and that show is garbage in my book.

    There's a reason why film makers always have to blur out people's faces in shows/ movies like Jackass, Borat, and other unscripted for the "extras" kind of films/ shows. I don't want my face in the background of a blatantly racist film or a pedophile web series just because I'm at Disneyland or Disney World.

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