OP, I know what you mean. Crowds definitely have the tendency to frustrate people in confined places. Walking down main street seems less magical when you have to consistently look down to avoid other's feet.
I won't be renewing my AP this year as well, but not because of the crowds (though that is a legitimate reason.) I plan on doing the DCP this Fall, and it seems redundant to buy an annual pass when I will eventually work there. I also want to take a break from Disney Resort as it was beginning to feel habitual. I know its heresy to say, but I personally feel less "magic" when I go to Disney Resort consistently. Not that I like it less, I just love the feeling of returning after a long break.
Huh? averaging one ride I don't think so. Yesterday, we arrived at 6PM and left at 10PM we were able to do about 6-7 rides including fireworks.
Well written post by the OP!
I agree. The price of the AP isn't the issue. It is the crowding.
Having an AP leaves me more money to spend in the park, and between the food, beer, and random junk that I buy they are getting a lot of money from me. I went this past Saturday, it was crowded but still fun because I no longer have to get on every ride. Weekdays are where its at though.
I have a pass too and I find way for doing 10-20 attractions in 6 hours a night. Stay after fireworks the park drains of most of the guests after fireworks and Fantasmic!. You can do so much also during shows like the parade. Haunted Mansion is always emptie during Fantasmic! and smalll world has no one during the parades. Toy Story Mania has 1/2 the wait during WoC. Doing these attractions can help save time. Materhorn has no wait the last 30 minutes of the day. Fantasyland has no one also. There is no way I can crack Petter Pan though.
We also are taking a break after May from the parks after 5 years of being a PAP. Need a break, it's all becoming to familiar to us now, and the lack of an off-season was part of the decision as well as the speculated Christmas hard-ticketed plans (which I believe they WILL do). We'll revist the idea of becoming a passholder again in a few years.... Unless those pases are over a grand by then! :eek:
I think crowds are to be expected at DLR. Two Christmas ago, we went for 12 hours and the place was packed. We went on 1 ride and we had a GREAT time. We enjoyed the Billies, Aladdin show, and many other great Disney enetertaiment. Just a few years ago DCA was a ghost town and my favorite ride ToT would normally be 13 min but now its usually 40 or more. It sucks but I know thats its for the best with the additions of WOC, TSMM and Carsland. I find that with the crowds spread out now the pre 10am time is the best time to go and get on as many rides as you can. After that use FP or enjoy things you wouldnt normally like Tom Sawyer Island, Pooh, Mr Lincoln, the many bands and live entertaiment around DLR, etc. And remember you're an AP so you can come back.
and don't forget the money for hotel that a visitor has to spend,where as a AP holder doesn't, and if they do they get a discount..yah i don't know about anyone else but i don't average 1 ride per visit,i get all the rides in i want, it's probably a max of like 6 rides. Even on the busiest days maybe 4 or 5 but i always make the best of it :) :)
Not all AP's are locals. For some AP's, it means they are trying to get the most number of days for the purchase of their pass. Crowds can definitely put a damper on a person's trip, if they can't ride the rides they want, or if perchance entertainment is cancelled like Fantasmic, for instance.
I will become an Annual Passholder for the first time when I visit in 3 days. I upgraded to that idea when my 6 day trip became a 10 day trip. A lot of that decision was made for me when Disneyland decided not to offer parkhoppers past 5 days. I am also planning another trip in October, so I'll get 14 days at Disneyland probably for the cost of the pass.
Some Annual passholders have to plan a lot of things in order to visit Disneyland during different times of the years. Not being locals, they do have to worry about crowds, and hotel prices, and parade and firework schedules, and closures, and weather, and a lot of other things.
I can understand (1) ride, if the ride is RSR.
Don't get FP. Get there when it opens stand in line (2) hours, ride breaks down just as you get to front of line. Take a break and go get soda and popcorn, walk back to find ride open. get in line with another (2) hour wait, again ride breaks down just as you get to the front of the line, go have lunch. Come back get into (2) hour line again. Ride does not break down, go on ride after 6-7 hours of being at the park.
See (1) ride only.... :ap:
We're actually in San Diego at the moment, so it's definitely a little bit of a trip every time. About the 1 ride thing, it mostly boils down to not wanting to wait in 40 minute lines for every ride. If we walk by Pirates and it's backed up like that, then we usually just resign ourselves to not wanting to wait for anything. Fastpass is usually the only way we will try to get a ride or two in. But a lot of the time we'd rather leave by 7 or 8 to go eat somewhere.
Which leads me to the whole "APs don't spend money". It's just a comment I've read in a few different places and some people are thoroughly subscribed to that idea. I can tell you that for us, we will buy a meal in the park every visit or two and we've definitely bought our fill of merch over the past year. So it's not an all inclusive comment for every single pass holder. Just a passing reference to a semi-common opinion.
It's hard to plan weekday visits since I'm in the Navy and it's tougher to take time off like that. It could be entirely on us having a lack of patience for ANY kind of waiting. For the most part, a Disneyland Annual Pass just isn't the right kind of investment for where we are in life right now and for what we've come to expect out of Disneyland.
It will probably be really refreshing to lay off the Magic for a year or two. I'm not openly blaming Disney for any of MY problems with the park. But it's obviously a mismatch right now and we'll just have to accept there are irreconcilable differences right now ;)