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    Re: No Magic for You! Big Problem With The Jedi Training Academy

    Quote Originally Posted by BigThunder View Post
    Yes, actually, I would make it an issue if my child was chosen and another's wasn't. As I said in the OP, there were several children left crying, not just mine. Let that sink in for a minute folks, before some of you choose to flame me some more. Children. Crying. At Disneyland. Why? Because they were excluded. It's not over analyzing to put one's self into the mind of a 5 or 6 year old. All they know is that their heroes, the Jedi did not choose them to play. That's rejection folks. And rejection is not what I pay Disney for. Sorry if some of you can't understand that.
    First off, I think you're taking some posts the wrong way so settle down for a second. I don't want to offer you parenting advice, or tell you that you're wrong, but again, if you don't have a solution as to what they should do, what are you complaining about? Would not having the show at all be better? Look, your story breaks my heart but the fact is, just because it's Disneyland doesn't mean everything is perfect. What do you tell your child when it rains, or when his favorite ride is broken down? Is Disney responsible for that too? I mean, I don't see a way in which they could improve the format of the show without getting rid of it altogether, even though the interactivity is a key part of its entertainment value. I just think it's a little unfair to come down so hard on Disney when they're trying to make a unique and fun show and when they actually did make whoever was chosen's day.

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    Re: No Magic for You! Big Problem With The Jedi Training Academy

    BigThunder,
    Can I ask what YOU did after this happened? There are ways you could have helped resolve the issue then and there. We were in the exact same situation you described with our kids. After the show, politely approached a CM and asked what is the best way to get selected. He mentioned making signs in the future for the kids to stand out, but also suggested coming back for the next show and he would help make sure they were picked. Similar situation for our four year old in TurtleTalk, and they let us stay after the crowd had left so she could ask her question. Sometimes the easist solution is just to ask for help instead of getting upset.

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    Re: No Magic for You! Big Problem With The Jedi Training Academy

    I think Big Thunder is right. This was a totally botched job by Disney. All Disney would have to do is sign up kids ahead of time just has they take reservations for Disney, why not for this show? Walt had all the carousel horses painted white because he did not want any child to not be able to ride a white horse. I think that with this age child it could have been handled better by Disney. After all, they don't have kids jumping up in down to get a seating at Cinderella's castle in WDW, do they.
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    Re: No Magic for You! Big Problem With The Jedi Training Academy

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    Okay, say you've got a child and it's his 6th birthday. And, say this child loves absolutely everything about Star Wars. And you take this child to Disneyland for his birthday where everyone has a wonderful time, that is, until you head over to Tomorrowland for the Jedi Training Academy. It's a cute show where some performers "train" young kids to be Jedi Knights. What great fun when they pretend to use the Force and choose your child! But... what about the kids who are not chosen? The problem is that there is only so much room in each show so some of the kids will be left out. What if it's your kid? My young man followed all of the rules, stood behind the blue line, jumped up and down, raised his hands, shouted and... was not chosen. He was devastated. He cried for an hour. He thought he didn't have the Force. And he wasn't the only child left crying. Nice job Disney! Way to make it magical! While you're telling the Kindergarteners that they don't have the Force, why not mention that there's no Santa Clause too? And that fairies are a myth? And that Mickey is just a sweaty guy in a suit? Suffice to say, as a parent, I was beyond pissed.

    Now, before anyone chimes in with, "But all the kids can't be chosen," or "Disappointment and rejection is part of life, get used to it," let me just make a couple of points. First, they don't have to do it this way. It would be very easy for the warm up CM's to inform the parents that they only allow x-number of kids in each show and then only allow that many in to the selection area. Easier for the parents and much less traumatic for the kids to be told that there's not enough room instead of "the Force is not strong enough in you." Second, I don't pay hundreds and hundreds of dollars to have Disney employees make my children cry and teach them hard life lessons about rejection and exclusion. They'll get enough of that in the real world. That's not what we pay Disney for.

    The plain fact is, this is a horrible thing to do to young kids. Either the people who designed this show know next to nothing about children or they just don't care. Anyone who works with young children will tell you that when planning any activity, every child must be included. They really need to change the way they do this show or scrap it all together in favor of something more inclusive. And yes, I raised all of these concerns at City Hall to a very helpful and sympathetic Cast Member, but I would like to hear the thoughts of the MC community and especially the other parents out there. Thanks for reading my little rant.

    Its a theme park environment, not a birthday party with a few kids. Its not always going to be possible to include everyone who wants to be included.

    Saying every child must be included, is why children expect to be included now, when reality is its not always possible to include every child, your not paying Disney for that one show, nor are you paying them for your child to be included. Its not Disney's fault if you think all who want to do should be able to, even though there is very clearly not sufficient room for everyone to be included.

    Its pretty common sense to realize not every child can be included in this sort of thing, like when Sea World used to pick volunteers during certain shows when I was a kid, there was no possible way to include everyone, and people and kids back then didn't seem to mind, they understood it.

    Learning takes place everywhere including Disneyland, not being chosen while a disappointment, is really just another learning experience, kids these days need to learn they cannot always be included, and real life never stops, there will always be times when not everyone can be included. A kid should never be taught they will always be included, will just lead to trouble later in life.

    I will side with Disney on this one and say they didn't so anything wrong and its not worth changing an entire show over.

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    Re: No Magic for You! Big Problem With The Jedi Training Academy

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    With all due respect with my opinion in this, and Im saying this because it is how I feel about Big Thunders post, and I AM sorry to be so crude and hard on you pal but...

    I think your post makes you look even younger than your child, I understand being let down after not being chosen for a show, but to come on here and whine about the situation? Bro, it's a show... They have 5 performances during the entire day, if you truly had a problem with it, you would have kept going back to enhance the chances of your son being chosen. I really have a issue with people who walk around and say "I didn't get what I want" thousands of people go to disneyland a day not getting what they want, its life, thats the way things happen. I hope next time you go to the park with your child that he is chosen to partake in the show. Disney didn't ruin any fun or magic though, thats just the way the cookie crumbled
    Hookay, guess I'm just about done here. You guys on MiceChat are really hilarious. Either Disney is a horrible corporate monster, or they can do no wrong. Now I'm a bad parent and a childish whiner? I've got a few choice words for you, but this being a family oriented forum, I'll keep them to myself. But don't call me bro and I'm not your pal. Not even close.

    Mods, you can lock or delete this whole mess at your leisure. I'm through arguing with condescending strangers for now.
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    Re: No Magic for You! Big Problem With The Jedi Training Academy

    Quote Originally Posted by BigThunder View Post
    Hookay, guess I'm just about done here. You guys on MiceChat are really hilarious. Either Disney is a horrible corporate monster, or they can do no wrong. Now I'm a bad parent and a childish whiner? I've got a few choice words for you, but this being a family oriented forum, I'll keep them to myself. But don't call me bro and I'm not your pal. Not even close.

    Mods, you can lock or delete this whole mess at your leisure. I'm through arguing with condescending strangers for now.
    I thought I saw some really good suggestions on how to have made your situation better.

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    Re: No Magic for You! Big Problem With The Jedi Training Academy

    Quote Originally Posted by BigThunder View Post
    Hookay, guess I'm just about done here. You guys on MiceChat are really hilarious. Either Disney is a horrible corporate monster, or they can do no wrong. Now I'm a bad parent and a childish whiner? I've got a few choice words for you, but this being a family oriented forum, I'll keep them to myself. But don't call me bro and I'm not your pal. Not even close.

    Mods, you can lock or delete this whole mess at your leisure. I'm through arguing with condescending strangers for now.
    So I guess my tip on how I've gotten my kid picked every time was of no interest to you.

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    Re: No Magic for You! Big Problem With The Jedi Training Academy

    On a side note, does the terrace's dais still not rise when Darth Vader and Maul are introduced? That used to be one of the coolest parts of the show, but the last time I saw the show in May the grand introduction was not working.

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    Re: No Magic for You! Big Problem With The Jedi Training Academy

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    So I guess my tip on how I've gotten my kid picked every time was of no interest to you.
    That was an awesome tip, thanks.

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    Re: No Magic for You! Big Problem With The Jedi Training Academy

    This thread is closed at the request of the OP.

    Folks, a thread with a topic along the lines of the one this one, can often be dicey. There were many posts from heart, which sincerely attempted to be helpful. Others, slipped a bit and inserted some off-topic judgement of a personal nature. If we could all leave that judgement at the door, and just deal with the helpful part, threads like this would stand a better chance of surviving to the point of being a genuine asset to the OP and to other parents who might be visiting the parks and hope to have their children participate in this show. This is bound to continue to be a difficult situation for all of those who don't make the cut.
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