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    Re: Space: Are advanced parking garages the answer?

    Quote Originally Posted by swampymarsh View Post
    An there in lies its problem. It is constructing areas that could have been used for parking and will attract more guests which will overload it's currents parking, both in USO and USH.
    I assure you, there's zero chance of UO's current parking garages being "overloaded." Until the recent boom, it was common practice to only use one of the two on any given day. The other usually wouldn't be opened until CityWalk business picked up in the evening.

    And they aren't building on areas that could be used for parking, except for the new hotel, which will have its own parking, just like the other hotels.

    The only thing they should be worried about is employee parking. They allowed much of it to be replaced by an apartment complex.
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    Re: Space: Are advanced parking garages the answer?

    I really wish they'd concentrate on increasing mass transit options to the Resort along with better parking. Right now there is transit but it's time consuming and stops running pretty early in most cases. If we had better transit links from LA/San Diego and people saw it as a safe/quick/convenient option, they might consider leaving the car at home. That would solve a lot of parking issues.

    In France there's an RER train stop right at the entrance to Disneyland Paris and that works so well. A lot of people take the train to DLP instead of driving.

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    Re: Space: Are advanced parking garages the answer?

    Quote Originally Posted by JtnOrl View Post
    I assure you, there's zero chance of UO's current parking garages being "overloaded." Until the recent boom, it was common practice to only use one of the two on any given day. The other usually wouldn't be opened until CityWalk business picked up in the evening.

    And they aren't building on areas that could be used for parking, except for the new hotel, which will have its own parking, just like the other hotels.

    The only thing they should be worried about is employee parking. They allowed much of it to be replaced by an apartment complex.
    The current parking and current park are on thing. The future park is another. It's the future lack of space for parking that will be a problem.



    Quote Originally Posted by Malina View Post
    In France there's an RER train stop right at the entrance to Disneyland Paris and that works so well. A lot of people take the train to DLP instead of driving.
    There is a big different between France and America, in the culture of transit. We like to drive, they are content with trains. Building a park there that could only be driven to would of been rather stupid. Just like if they build a park in the US that couldn't be driven to.

    As linked below you may find that rail will become a great alternative to get to DLR. A lot of media focus is either on the futuristic fast transit or the huge costs and low possibilites of traveling beteen LA and SF or LA and LV. The best part of these proposals are upgrading the local systems. This included electrifying Metrolink and speeding it up greatly. Rail could become a huge method of travel to both DLR and USH. It may also become the way to get to many sports and concert events.


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    Re: Space: Are advanced parking garages the answer?

    Up-charge drivers who arrive solo including annual passholders. The problem at the resort is behavior on most days, not space. And build more structures for heaven's sake for those busy holiday periods.

    No more solo drivers! Carpool or take public transit OR pay a huge increase for the privilege. We always pack a carful.

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    Re: Space: Are advanced parking garages the answer?

    Quote Originally Posted by sweeper View Post
    Up-charge drivers who arrive solo including annual passholders. The problem at the resort is behavior on most days, not space. And build more structures for heaven's sake for those busy holiday periods.

    No more solo drivers! Carpool or take public transit OR pay a huge increase for the privilege. We always pack a carful.
    That is a very interesting idea and definitely addresses the specific issue directly.

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    Re: Space: Are advanced parking garages the answer?

    Quote Originally Posted by sweeper View Post
    Up-charge drivers who arrive solo including annual passholders. The problem at the resort is behavior on most days, not space. And build more structures for heaven's sake for those busy holiday periods.

    No more solo drivers! Carpool or take public transit OR pay a huge increase for the privilege. We always pack a carful.
    That's not really appropriate. You can't and shouldn't penalize someone for being on their own. Not everyone has friends or family that can or want to go to the park with them. If someone's coming alone and parking, they are ALREADY paying more because they're covering the entire cost of parking themselves (whereas when you're in a group you can usually split the cost).

    And if not, they are supposed to risk their safety taking mass transit alone at night?!
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    Re: Space: Are advanced parking garages the answer?

    Quote Originally Posted by swampymarsh View Post
    There is a big different between France and America, in the culture of transit. We like to drive, they are content with trains. Building a park there that could only be driven to would of been rather stupid. Just like if they build a park in the US that couldn't be driven to.

    As linked below you may find that rail will become a great alternative to get to DLR. A lot of media focus is either on the futuristic fast transit or the huge costs and low possibilites of traveling beteen LA and SF or LA and LV. The best part of these proposals are upgrading the local systems. This included electrifying Metrolink and speeding it up greatly. Rail could become a huge method of travel to both DLR and USH. It may also become the way to get to many sports and concert events.
    Well, obviously there are differences between the two countries. That's a no-brainer. The point, though, is that the RATP in Paris cooperated with the park to make a nearby station and it is heavily used. If Disneyland Anaheim followed that lead it would be a great thing.

    USH is already accessible - the Red Line goes right to the UNiversal shuttle, and it runs late at night. What I'd love to see in the interim for Disneyland - while they are hashing out the future rail plans - is for Disney to go in on something like the Angels Express that they have after Angels games. The Metrolink runs late on those nights and takes people directly back to Union Station or Oceanside. If they could get Metrolink to permanently run later trains, they could run a shuttle (free with Metrolink ticket) to the Anaheim station.

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    Re: Space: Are advanced parking garages the answer?

    Excellent idea, and with that streetcar coming that would work until light rail or high speed rail arrives in Anaheim!

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    Re: Space: Are advanced parking garages the answer?

    Quote Originally Posted by brianpinsky View Post
    also you realy can't building underground in OC because of the sand that sits between us and bedrock, 2000ft down. OC has the best water suply system in the world because we supily ourselves with our own water, no import and 2/3 of the water is put back into the ground. Another problem would be is a structure would colapse under the sand in an earthquake, Disney would face a huge PR nightmare not to mention the huge lost of property/lives. Above ground is the best answer in SoCal because of the huge threat of a 6-7.0 earthquake at any moment.
    I would argue against OC having the best water supply system in the world.
    In Portland Oregon we don't import water either. It flows downhill from Mt. Hood and doesn't taste bad like Orange County water. It is unfiltered and currently has no additives like fluoride. Not arguing that Portland's is the best, but it is better than OC.
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    Re: Space: Are advanced parking garages the answer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Malina View Post
    USH is already accessible - the Red Line goes right to the UNiversal shuttle, and it runs late at night. What I'd love to see in the interim for Disneyland - while they are hashing out the future rail plans - is for Disney to go in on something like the Angels Express that they have after Angels games. The Metrolink runs late on those nights and takes people directly back to Union Station or Oceanside. If they could get Metrolink to permanently run later trains, they could run a shuttle (free with Metrolink ticket) to the Anaheim station.
    Currently you can take Metrolink to Fullerton, and ride the OCTA to the Disneyland stop, same ticket.

    If more people used the trains you could expect them to increase the scheduled number of trains. With upgrades in the services that should happen. That why more people make take them to DLR and USH. Not because it's not available right now, because it could become more convinient.
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    Re: Space: Are advanced parking garages the answer?

    Quote Originally Posted by swampymarsh View Post
    Currently you can take Metrolink to Fullerton, and ride the OCTA to the Disneyland stop, same ticket.

    If more people used the trains you could expect them to increase the scheduled number of trains. With upgrades in the services that should happen. That why more people make take them to DLR and USH. Not because it's not available right now, because it could become more convinient.
    Which is pretty much what I said. You can also take the Metrolink or Amtrak to the Anaheim station and get the ART to Disneyland or take the Metro bus to Harbor. Nobody ever said that the service wasn't there; just that it wasn't convenient. The trains stop running fairly early and they're so rare that they are all but useless on the weekends, so people don't use them.

    That's why something like the Angels Express would be so helpful. Angels Express throws extra trains on the schedule and makes it convenient for guests, which is why it's seen as a viable option. The OC Fair and the Dana Point whale festival have also worked with Metrolink to provide special service.

    Something like a Disneyland Express Train would get passengers, if they knew it was there, wouldn't require several transfers and wouldn't require them to leave the park at 7 to avoid missing the last train.

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    Re: Space: Are advanced parking garages the answer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Malina View Post
    The trains stop running fairly early and they're so rare that they are all but useless on the weekends, so people don't use them.
    fyi, the amtrak site shows 14 northbound trains and 11 southbound trains scheduled to depart Fullerton throughout the day on Saturday. The last northbound one leaves at 11:19 PM. The last southbound one leaves at 10:39 PM.

    But I'll agree it would be nice if there was a special Disneyland shuttle that met each arriving train and took you directly to Disneyland.

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    Re: Space: Are advanced parking garages the answer?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rammikin View Post
    fyi, the amtrak site shows 14 northbound trains and 11 southbound trains scheduled to depart Fullerton throughout the day on Saturday. The last northbound one leaves at 11:19 PM. The last southbound one leaves at 10:39 PM.

    But I'll agree it would be nice if there was a special Disneyland shuttle that met each arriving train and took you directly to Disneyland.
    Yes, but most people would be looking at Metrolink, and Metrolink only runs four trains a day on the weekends - and the last one leaves Anaheim at 6:45 at night. Also, on the weekends the OCTA 43 that would take someone to the Fullerton Amtrak station only runs once an hour once you get to 9pm or so.

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    Re: Space: Are advanced parking garages the answer?

    Amtrak is your better option on the weekend, with more trains to choose from.

    You can also get off at the Anaheim station and take the ART bus to/from Disneyland. It comes by every 20 minutes until 11:30 PM.

    Taking the train could be made even more convenient with better shuttles, but I suspect the reluctance to use the train is more cultural than anything else. People in southern california just don't think of it as an option.


    Quote Originally Posted by Malina View Post
    Yes, but most people would be looking at Metrolink, and Metrolink only runs four trains a day on the weekends - and the last one leaves Anaheim at 6:45 at night. Also, on the weekends the OCTA 43 that would take someone to the Fullerton Amtrak station only runs once an hour once you get to 9pm or so.

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    Re: Space: Are advanced parking garages the answer?

    Quote Originally Posted by sweeper View Post
    Up-charge drivers who arrive solo including annual passholders. The problem at the resort is behavior on most days, not space. And build more structures for heaven's sake for those busy holiday periods.

    No more solo drivers! Carpool or take public transit OR pay a huge increase for the privilege. We always pack a carful.
    I think $5 per gallon for gas IS an upcharge!
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