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    Re: annual pass revocation/payment question

    Quote Originally Posted by EPCOTresident View Post
    WHY DID YOU TELL THEM YOU HAD AN ANNUAL PASSPORT??? dumb enough you didn't take your drinking/getting a buzz "off campus" like most smart people do...but why would you tell them you're an AP???...are you just plain stupid???
    I see no reason to maliciously question this person's intelligence. Yes, a bad choice was made, but that's no reason to call them out as being "dumb" or "stupid".

    As for informing Disney of the status as a passholder, I'm sure upon ejecting someone from the park, Disney asks for a surrender of their entrance ticket. Cooperating and handing that ticket over to Disney was the responsible choice and probably the smartest decision this person made that day.
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    Re: annual pass revocation/payment question

    Quote Originally Posted by Malcon10t View Post
    And I too appreciate Disneyland preventing underage drinking.

    Again, while I'm sure Disney is interested in preventing underage drinking, it's primary motivation in enforcing the policy is the preservation of its liquor license. The ABC has strong concerns about licensing establishments such as amusement parks where they know there will be lots of teenagers in the mix trying to score booze. Disney likely had to present the ABC detailed plans on how it prevents and enforces underage drinking in order to get and maintain the license.

    At the heart of the matter of course is revenue. Alcohol sales are extremely profitable.

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    Re: annual pass revocation/payment question

    Quote Originally Posted by EPCOTresident View Post
    WHY DID YOU TELL THEM YOU HAD AN ANNUAL PASSPORT??? dumb enough you didn't take your drinking/getting a buzz "off campus" like most smart people do...but why would you tell them you're an AP???...are you just plain stupid???
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    Re: annual pass revocation/payment question

    Quote Originally Posted by EPCOTresident View Post
    WHY DID YOU TELL THEM YOU HAD AN ANNUAL PASSPORT??? dumb enough you didn't take your drinking/getting a buzz "off campus" like most smart people do...but why would you tell them you're an AP???...are you just plain stupid???
    You know...I've been reading every single one of these comments. This website has always been a supportive and friendly community to me in the past. Maybe it's because I was in a rush and I worded my original post badly and you all think I'm some idiot, but that's really not what Im here for. I'm incredibly saddened and upset that I made that poor decision that lost me my pass. It taught me a lesson about actions having consequences and I cried my eyes out the night they escorted us off the parks. I just wanted to know about the payment policy, and some of you have graciously answered my question.Of course I had to give them my pass. I didn't have a ticket or anything to give them as a replacement, and actually being honest with security went a long way. The man who would be writing the report made it clear he felt bad, and that we should appeal because most likely, we'd get it back with a warning.No, I don't have to go to court: Disneyland did not press charges against me or my other underage companion. The only thing I had to do to appeal was leave a message at the hot line and they started my appeal right away.Thank you to the ones who answered my question, and that I would need to keep my payments up. And to the rest of you, thank you so very much for making me feel several times over like some stupid little girl.


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    Re: annual pass revocation/payment question

    I seriously doubt the situation was as described. For the pass to be revoked security had to have gotten involved. For security to get involved the poster either acted in a manner that got securities attention and made them think there was a reason to question the poster. The other way is for the poster to have been witnessed by a CM who knew they were underage. The CM would have given them a warning and only contacted security if the warning had been ignored. Either way security would have to get involved and witness the actual drinking to revoke the pass.

    The pass contract is to pay off the cost of the pass, not a month to month pass plan, as others have said. Regardless, the pass is revoked for one year from the date of the incident and as everyone else has said the poster has to pay still. The poster is not banned from the property though. Poster can buy regular tickets, just not another annual pass for a year. I would say try contacting the AP Hotline again. There is an appeal process that the poster can go through, but it does take time. The poster should consider that the review board will likely check the video footage of the event and if what the poster tells them varies at all (ie it was more then one sip) they likely won't give it back. Honesty is best if there is a chance of getting it back.

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    I may have missed a post, but why would you tell anyone you have a pass? I would just say I had a day ticket and I don't have it on me. It is not like people have lost them before.

    Dumb. I agree with chancencinny. The whole story has not been told. But who cares. I can't understand why you would offer that you are an AP unless like many, you think you are entitled to break rules.
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    Re: annual pass revocation/payment question

    Quote Originally Posted by EPCOTresident View Post
    WHY DID YOU TELL THEM YOU HAD AN ANNUAL PASSPORT??? dumb enough you didn't take your drinking/getting a buzz "off campus" like most smart people do...but why would you tell them you're an AP???...are you just plain stupid???
    wow. this is a bit much... when they ask for your ticket or AP you have to give what you got to them. She did the right thing by giving it to them as asked,

    Quote Originally Posted by Mortgageman View Post
    I very much doubt that this situation as described here involves any legal prosecution. Seems to be more of a caught breaking the rules so you are not welcome back for a while thing.

    Disney has to have have a zero tolerance policy towards underage drinking at CA Adventure or they risk suspension/revocation of their CA ABC liquor license.
    oh okay. well that's good that she won't have to go to court..still she probably won't get her pass back for a while.

    Quote Originally Posted by CourtneyDax View Post
    You know...I've been reading every single one of these comments. This website has always been a supportive and friendly community to me in the past. Maybe it's because I was in a rush and I worded my original post badly and you all think I'm some idiot, but that's really not what Im here for. I'm incredibly saddened and upset that I made that poor decision that lost me my pass. It taught me a lesson about actions having consequences and I cried my eyes out the night they escorted us off the parks. I just wanted to know about the payment policy, and some of you have graciously answered my question.Of course I had to give them my pass. I didn't have a ticket or anything to give them as a replacement, and actually being honest with security went a long way. The man who would be writing the report made it clear he felt bad, and that we should appeal because most likely, we'd get it back with a warning.No, I don't have to go to court: Disneyland did not press charges against me or my other underage companion. The only thing I had to do to appeal was leave a message at the hot line and they started my appeal right away.Thank you to the ones who answered my question, and that I would need to keep my payments up. And to the rest of you, thank you so very much for making me feel several times over like some stupid little girl.
    oh okay, that's good they only took a report and didn't get like the disneyland police invovled, i had it my head that is what happend, my bad. but either way, and yeah they will let you appeal, but they may or may not give your pass back and if they don't you will not be allowed back into the parks because even if you buy a day ticket and show ID, they have your photo and name in the system and you won't get your pass back for a long time, so unfortantly you will have to keep making your payments on the pass or pay off the remaining balance...

    my friend made the mistake of getting sloshed at UVA bar in downtown Disney 2 years ago,despite him being 35 guess what happend? they took his pass away, and he was escorted off property and told that he was not allowed back for at least 1 year or so. and just this year he got a new pass, so his bannishment from DLR is over now..

    so you can try and buy a ticket or a day ticket.. but they have your name and photo in the system..

    so good luck and i hope that your appeal is strong enough that you get your pass back
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    Re: annual pass revocation/payment question

    Quote Originally Posted by TacAlert View Post
    I may have missed a post, but why would you tell anyone you have a pass? I would just say I had a day ticket and I don't have it on me. It is not like people have lost them before.

    Dumb. I agree with chancencinny. The whole story has not been told. But who cares. I can't understand why you would offer that you are an AP unless like many, you think you are entitled to break rules.
    so your saying that AP's think they can just break rules??

    When asked for ticket or AP in the parks at anytime by any Disneyland Security or the Police that walk the park(yes they do and they dogs with them) you should give it to them, you can't just lie an say you had a ticket but you lost or you don't have it.And furthermore they probably asked to see ID.

    Annual Pass holders do not think they can just break rules..she just made a simple small mistake that is not going to allow her to go to Disneyland anymore for a while if that,the mistake was not telling them yes she has a AP, but taking that 1 sip of what ever it was that got her in trouble. this is a learning experience to everyone, they security is always watching, and i have seen them randomly check i.d.'s of people drinking at Mad T.

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    Re: annual pass revocation/payment question

    Quote Originally Posted by chancencinny View Post
    I seriously doubt the situation was as described. For the pass to be revoked security had to have gotten involved. For security to get involved the poster either acted in a manner that got securities attention and made them think there was a reason to question the poster. The other way is for the poster to have been witnessed by a CM who knew they were underage. The CM would have given them a warning and only contacted security if the warning had been ignored. Either way security would have to get involved and witness the actual drinking to revoke the pass.
    It's been mentioned on this board before that at Mad T Party and ElecTRONica, security HAS been keeping an eye on who is drinking. I remember reading about a situation here where someone bought and carried a drink back to an underage friend and security immediately swooped down on them. They're keeping their eyes open. In the places you can drink at DCA, they do pay attention.

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    Re: annual pass revocation/payment question

    Quote Originally Posted by TacAlert View Post
    I may have missed a post, but why would you tell anyone you have a pass? I would just say I had a day ticket and I don't have it on me. It is not like people have lost them before.
    As others have said, security would have immediately asked her for her ticket media. They also would have asked her for ID and if they ran her name and address they'd have immediately been able to see if she was an AP or not. I suppose someone could say "I don't have a ticket" but then they'd have to explain how they got into the park, why they didn't report their lost ticket, etc. Cooperating with security and handing over the ticket media - her AP in this case - was really the only thing she could have done that wouldn't have caused a scene and more trouble for her.

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    Re: annual pass revocation/payment question

    Quote Originally Posted by CourtneyDax View Post
    You know...I've been reading every single one of these comments. This website has always been a supportive and friendly community to me in the past. Maybe it's because I was in a rush and I worded my original post badly and you all think I'm some idiot, but that's really not what Im here for. I'm incredibly saddened and upset that I made that poor decision that lost me my pass. It taught me a lesson about actions having consequences and I cried my eyes out the night they escorted us off the parks. I just wanted to know about the payment policy, and some of you have graciously answered my question.Of course I had to give them my pass. I didn't have a ticket or anything to give them as a replacement, and actually being honest with security went a long way. The man who would be writing the report made it clear he felt bad, and that we should appeal because most likely, we'd get it back with a warning.No, I don't have to go to court: Disneyland did not press charges against me or my other underage companion. The only thing I had to do to appeal was leave a message at the hot line and they started my appeal right away.Thank you to the ones who answered my question, and that I would need to keep my payments up. And to the rest of you, thank you so very much for making me feel several times over like some stupid little girl.
    Hey. Please don't let anyone on the Internet get you down. You're not stupid. You made a small mistake, and everyone here made mistakes when they were under 21 too. Perhaps not *this* mistake, but none of us have infallible judgment in every situation. I'm sure it must have been tremendously upsetting to be escorted out, not to mention losing your AP. Cooperating with security WAS smart and honesty DOES earn you good karma in this sort of situation. he suggestion about writing a letter to them in a while was a good one.

    At the end of the day, you'll pay off this pass, and in a year or two when the ban is up, you'll be able to go back and forget this ever happened (except that you'll know not to drink under 21 or give YOUR drink to an under-21). Life will go on, right?

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    Re: annual pass revocation/payment question

    Quote Originally Posted by chancencinny View Post
    I seriously doubt the situation was as described. For the pass to be revoked security had to have gotten involved. For security to get involved the poster either acted in a manner that got securities attention and made them think there was a reason to question the poster. The other way is for the poster to have been witnessed by a CM who knew they were underage. The CM would have given them a warning and only contacted security if the warning had been ignored. Either way security would have to get involved and witness the actual drinking to revoke the pass.
    I have been to hundreds of concerts at dozens of venues, and there is always a "zero tolerance" policy for underage drinking -- no warnings. A CM would likely be suspended or fired for giving a "warning".

    Shoreline Amphitheater, a 20,000 capacity venue in Mountain View CA, had their liquor license suspended for underage drinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chancencinny View Post
    I seriously doubt the situation was as described. For the pass to be revoked security had to have gotten involved.
    Who said security wasn't involved?

    Quote Originally Posted by chancencinny View Post
    For security to get involved the poster either acted in a manner that got securities attention and made them think there was a reason to question the poster.
    Like appearing under age and consuming alcohol?

    Quote Originally Posted by chancencinny View Post
    The other way is for the poster to have been witnessed by a CM who knew they were underage.
    Again, how do we know this didn't happen? Someone had to have seen this person drinking to trigger the disciplinary action.

    Quote Originally Posted by chancencinny View Post
    The CM would have given them a warning and only contacted security if the warning had been ignored.
    Where a company's liquor license is in jeopardy, they do not give warnings.

    Quote Originally Posted by chancencinny View Post
    Either way security would have to get involved and witness the actual drinking to revoke the pass.
    Please point me to the published Disney policy that says the actual drinking has to be witnessed by security.

    Quote Originally Posted by TacAlert View Post
    I may have missed a post, but why would you tell anyone you have a pass?
    Because it is the right thing to do and making things worse for oneself by lying is ludicrous.

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    Dumb. I agree with chancencinny. The whole story has not been told.
    How do you know? Were you there to witness the event?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacAlert View Post
    I can't understand why you would offer that you are an AP unless like many, you think you are entitled to break rules.
    Actually telling the truth and surrendering the pass was the right thing to do. It was not this pass holder who was suggesting to lie. I think the rule breaking entitlement feeling lies elsewhere in this case.
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    Re: annual pass revocation/payment question

    i have to agree with Calsig, calsig made some very good points,. Security did get invovled. they randomly check i.d's at Mad T now, security goes through the crowd and randomly asks people that are drinking for identification of their age.They stand in the crowd and monitor, go to Mad T you will see, they are all over, they even have the park cops with the dogs..

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    Re: annual pass revocation/payment question

    Quote Originally Posted by Poisonedapples View Post
    i have to agree with Calsig, calsig made some very good points,. Security did get invovled. they randomly check i.d's at Mad T now, security goes through the crowd and randomly asks people that are drinking for identification of their age.They stand in the crowd and monitor, go to Mad T you will see, they are all over, they even have the park cops with the dogs..

    Absolutely. They serve alcohol at this venue because it is very profitable and contributes to the "party" type atmosphere for those who can consume it responsibly.

    But make no mistake, this is Disney, not poolside at the Palms in Vegas. The partying will be tempered in a high security, highly controlled atmosphere. Rules will be strictly enforced and things will not be allowed to get out of hand.

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