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    Red Face GIMME,GIMME,GIMME! An Entitlement thread... (Merged)

    We've all done it. We've abused some part of the Disney system. Whether it be saying that our friend "lost" their Fastpass, or complaining to CM's in order to get perks, most of us are guilty of doing some kind of wrong thing and getting away with it at Disneyland. The problem is, sometimes we start expecting to get through these loopholes, are start to feel that since we have AP's, we're better than other folks. We know about how the fastpass system works, so we exploit it, we know all the spiels on the rides, so we say them out loud to impress other guests who could really care less.

    Disney has stood by the "customer is always right" motto for decades. However, this has created a type of customer that believes it is always right under any and all circumstances. Not good. We all know that if you make a big enough fuss, Disney would go out of its way to make you happy. Also not good. We have come to expect to be catered to and have to be held in a higher regard. That speaks volumes about the way Disney handles situations, but man, it has turned its fans into spoiled brats.

    AP's have a bad name, so do hardcore Disney fans. All because some people can't get over that entitlement mode of thinking. In actuality, an AP makes you less entitled to anything. The guest that visits once a year or every decade is the one who should be pampered. Not us locals who visit whenever we want and cry foul when Disney does something to please the single day visitor. Anyone else feel the same or different?

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    Re: GIMME,GIMME,GIMME! An Entitlement thread...

    Soulquarian = Kevin Yee?
    I never knew that Kevin was black. I was way off on my assumption.

    I agree with everything you wrote, though.

    As for me, I'm entitled to have Disneyland moved to Ventura County. Aren't I?
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    Re: GIMME,GIMME,GIMME! An Entitlement thread...

    I agree completely with you.

    Now let me tell you a story that might disgust you...Last Sept. my mom and I had purchased special seating for Fantasmic. The night we had tickets, everyone was waiting in front of the little booth that was set up to have their name called to go in. This young couple walks up. The girl had one of those minnie bride hat things with the veil. They say that they don't have tickets and they just got married, so they were wondering if they could get in. The cast member told them they'd have to wait until they asked someone. So that ignorant couple stood there, right in the way, and had everyone who had tickets have to squeeze by them. They wouldn't move an inch. My mom and I were so appalled.

    When most of the people, including us got seated, I looked behind me and sure enough, they had let the couple in. Now, they very well could have given them a payment at the door, but I'm not sure. Either way, it's wrong! You are supposed to make reservations ahead of time. They should NOT have let them in without previously purchased tickets.

    Again, there's that feeling of entitlement. OH, just because we got married that means we need to be treated better than the other guests who actually purchased tickets. I was really annoyed!



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    Re: GIMME,GIMME,GIMME! An Entitlement thread...

    ^???
    I agree, and realized this about myself a while back. I tend to only do things which get me something "a bit better" when it would in no way effect another guest's experience. There are still MANY ways to get these perks while keeping the other guests in mind.

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    Re: GIMME,GIMME,GIMME! An Entitlement thread...

    No matter what they hold in their hand or wallet, some people feel it is their RIGHT to have certain things or be treated a certain way. Well, that's nice for them to think that way but reality is usually much different. Either way, it is none of my business what other people do. So they are "hurting" my name as an AP. So what. That just makes it more reason to be as nice and charming as possible while visiting the Park. I supposse I could get really outspoken about my OWN expectations but then why would I be any different than the people I am complaining about?

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    Re: GIMME,GIMME,GIMME! An Entitlement thread...

    We have been AP holders for about 15 years now. Sure, we know enough inside stuff to get around the Parks, but we don't flaunt it. We also don't say a word while on the rides (to disrupt other guests) or jump in on a conversation when someone is telling another guest some Disney info. We keep to ourselves and enjoy the Parks as a family. The Ap is just a tool for us to make our trips more affordable. We don't act like we own the Park.

    In fact, we don't even bring up the fact that we are AP'ers when we have an issue. We just explain ourselves as though we are normal guests enjoying the Park. Which we are.

    Maybe we should be called, "stealth AP'ers". LOL!

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    Re: GIMME,GIMME,GIMME! An Entitlement thread...

    Before the fireworks begin I must jump in here and agree wholeheartedly with you Soul.

    My first visit was in '59 and over the years I've escorted out of town guests there, worked there, been close to many of the old execs and CMs and done contract work for them. I know the park inside and out along with the hotels.

    It was the caliber of guests that began to ruin the experience in the park for me as a guest in the early '90s. Inappropriate behaviour of all kinds and lack of manners along with foul language have prevented me from setting foot there in almost 6 years.

    I don't blame it all on the bad AP holders. A lot of the problem is due to the decline of society in general.

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    Re: GIMME,GIMME,GIMME! An Entitlement thread...

    Quote Originally Posted by Not Afraid
    No matter what they hold in their hand or wallet, some people feel it is their RIGHT to have certain things or be treated a certain way. Well, that's nice for them to think that way but reality is usually much different. Either way, it is none of my business what other people do. So they are "hurting" my name as an AP. So what. That just makes it more reason to be as nice and charming as possible while visiting the Park. I supposse I could get really outspoken about my OWN expectations but then why would I be any different than the people I am complaining about?
    I agree NA, I usually go out of my way to be better than the AP name suggests. However, it amazes me sometimes, when people have the nerve to complain about not getting their way, when they shouldn't have gotten it in the first place...

    I'm not going to lie, I love it when I'm more special than other folks. I love it when people stare at my "I Was There" pin, but at least I keep it a secret!

    Oh wait...

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    Re: GIMME,GIMME,GIMME! An Entitlement thread...

    I think almost worse than APs are CMs as guests! I often will have other CMs come up to my podium and ask if they can get a table, because they are cast members. I have to apologize, because we are full.... But they are cast members!

    I have often abused the privelege myself... walking up to HMH after a shift in my plainsclothes and saying to the outside HH "Hey, I just got off a host shift down the street... you have an extra FP? I just want to ride HMH ebfore I go home" and they will hand me a Rider Swap pass and I'm off on my merry way.

    I find that CMs are least likely to listen (because they think they know it all), least likely to tip (they are, historically, the worst tippers... ask any server), and least likely to give each other common courtesy. They are almost more likely than APs to try to name-drop to get what they want!

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    Re: GIMME,GIMME,GIMME! An Entitlement thread...

    The only time I tell anyone that I'm a AP is when I'm leaving the park so they don't stamp my hand since APs don't need hand stamps.

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    Re: GIMME,GIMME,GIMME! An Entitlement thread...

    Funny you should mention this, SoulQ. My son (who by no coincidence with regard to this post is mildly autistic) did an apt impersonation of an "entitled" person last night in the BLAB queue. We had FPs, and when we got to the merge point, the CM (who did acknowlege our presence and FPs) proceeded to allow so many people in the Standby line to go ahead of us that I began to wonder if it would have been quicker to use the Standby line. At which point my son not quite yelled (but in a loud voice) said something like "HELLO! WE HAVE FASTPASSES".

    Not that we we were obviously APers (we don't wear lanyards), I would expect that the CM may have assumed as much since APers would be the most likely to understand the FP system and raise a stink in that situation.

    I don't hide the fact that I'm an APer (I don't mind flashing it to get a discount), but I never brag about it, nor do I feel entitled to anything other than admission and parking on non-blockout days and the occaisional discounted meal, room, etc. I don't flaunt my knowlege of the Parks, and only offer advice to those who seem to be lost without it. I try to keep quiet on the rides (except for screams where appropriate) and don't recite the spiels ..... I don't want to ruin it for the others.

    But I know that there are those who feel "to h*** with the rest, I'm having fun my way". Perhaps that's being harsh, and I'm sure there are also those who don't really think about it ....... but act that way anyway, which is almost as bad. Nobody should feel entitled to show disregard (or no regard) to their fellow man. Sometimes its just a maturity (or lack thereof) issue. I do wonder about those lanyard wearers though ..... is it really for convenience sake, or are they wearing their AP as a Badge of Honor?

    As far as my (or anyone else's) "working the FP system" goes, I don't really see that as an entitlement. The knowlege required is free to anyone that is likely to go to Disneyland ....... if anyone does any web-based research on Disneyland before going, you're going to find something somewhere that gives you the information required to work the system. Am I guilty of "entitlement" if I apply my knowlege of Park geography, restaurant menus, and bathroom locations to my advantage?
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    Re: GIMME,GIMME,GIMME! An Entitlement thread...

    Quote Originally Posted by ManaByte
    The only time I tell anyone that I'm a AP is when I'm leaving the park so they don't stamp my hand since APs don't need hand stamps.
    APs don't need handstamps? When I re-enter on the same day the computer display always says "Re-entry, check handstamp". They seldom check, but I've always gotten a handstamp just to be sure I can get back in.

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    Re: GIMME,GIMME,GIMME! An Entitlement thread...

    We don't at all flaunt our APness. We're out of town guests from 1000 miles away who come to the park once or twice a year. I've had three APs now in the last four years and I've definitely become more of a Disneyland fan because of the various Disney message boards, but I find that I do less research before each visit, and I know nothing about the connected fastpass stations. I just don't care. I'm there as a guest, it's my vacation time, we're spending a buttload to get down there, and while I'm there, I'm usually chill. I demand nothing, and I just expect whatever it is that other people get....respect, cheerfulness, and a little Disney magic.

    I've only made one complaint, and that was because a CM called a Mickey rainbow antenna ball a "gay ball." Other than that, I can't imagine going and complaining about anything at Disneyland.

    The one thing I do do, however, is request to sit in the front seat on most rides. It's horrible of me!! But I have to sit in front on Space Mountain, IASW, PotC, etc. I don't mind waiting for another boat, heck, I don't mind waiting for six other boats, I just don't enjoy sitting in the middle or the back of ride vehicles anymore. I feel a tiny bit guilty asking, but it's so worth it to ride in front....we love it so much!

    We've gotten certain perks here and there that have nothing to do with being AP's or Disney fans....we've just been in the right place at the right time around the right people.

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    Re: GIMME,GIMME,GIMME! An Entitlement thread...

    Quote Originally Posted by Giant Panda
    Funny you should mention this, SoulQ. My son (who by no coincidence with regard to this post is mildly autistic) did an apt impersonation of an "entitled" person last night in the BLAB queue. We had FPs, and when we got to the merge point, the CM (who did acknowlege our presence and FPs) proceeded to allow so many people in the Standby line to go ahead of us that I began to wonder if it would have been quicker to use the Standby line. At which point my son not quite yelled (but in a loud voice) said something like "HELLO! WE HAVE FASTPASSES".
    As you well know, FP is not a front-of-the-line pass. It allows safe passage to the merge point, at which there is bound to be some traffic snag. The CM at the merge point is in charge. There is no rule stating that guests are in charge. (You were at fault for wondering aloud about your, what, 5-minute wait in an otherwise hour-long stand-by queue? How could the wait possibly be longer? Saying things like that might only make a CM forget to stop the stand-by queue.)
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    Re: GIMME,GIMME,GIMME! An Entitlement thread...

    Quote Originally Posted by stinkerbell
    I've only made one complaint, and that was because a CM called a Mickey rainbow antenna ball a "gay ball."
    It's not? NTTAWWI.
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