Very good post! Well stated. :)
Very good post! Well stated. :)
In the end, they had big walls to decorate with something and Walt liked Mary Blair's work so he hired her to do them, but did most guests stop to look at them and try to figure out the communication/energy theme? Also, Blair's art was pretty modern for the time, and hence kinda fit in a contemporary vision of Tomorrowland.
There is a difference, no matter how subtle you see it, between celebrating/honoring children worldwide and saying that the adults with their finger on the button will learn to live with each other.
There are tons of things they could do with Tomorrowland, but nothing has been done because of money. The last new ride (not counting Nemo), Rocket Rods, was too expensive to maintain because it wasn't funded with a big enough budget in the first place. If they want to drop $400 million on a ride and a restaurant, then folks will line up to see it.
But Disneyland does need their business to stay alive. They have to cater to what the guests want, because if the guests stop coming, they cease to exist. The guests aren't forced to come to Disneyland, but Disneyland is forced to make them happy. When Disneyland tears down Tomorrowland to build Star Wars land, it will because that is what the guests want above all else.Quote:
You can't force education on a public that doesn't want it (public schools aside), but nobody's being forced to go to Disneyland, either.
That paragraph reminded me of a project Disney has been working on that is straight out of Tomorrowland:Quote:
I'm saying that Tomorrowland should be a place that offers an exciting, appealing vision of the future that requires as few assumptions as possible to allow the guest to believe that it's not just a future, but their future, and one they want to live in. When people walk away with that kind of a vision in their heads, it becomes something they want to be a part of building, and if it's done right, they've learned a few things that will take them a step or two closer to being able to. That's the kind of education I'm talking about.
Don't you find it somewhat ironic that Disney is spending billions to create the future of theme parks, but it has been so derided by the fans and community here? Isn't it hypocritical to be calling for a return of a future vision to Tomorrowland, when so many are so willing to reject it when the actual future comes?Quote:
At parks, Disney invests in interactive experiences
With MyMagic+, the wristbands eventually will accompany a mobile phone app that lets visitors reserve firework- and parade-viewing areas, set up a meeting with Mickey or pick rides so as to skip the line. In addition, the band will gather information about a guest's behavior that could be key to even more personalized experiences in the future – a princess wowing a little girl by asking whether she enjoyed her pancakes for breakfast, for instance. The New York Times said analysts peg the total cost of the project at $800 million to $1 billion.
Disney has a rich tradition of evaluating every kind of technology it comes across for how it can be used invisibly to tell a story, according to Disney historian and former Imagineer Jeff Kurtti. And dating back to Disneyland's animatronic Abe Lincoln, Tomorrowland, and 1982's opening of EPCOT in Florida, the company has put a premium on visions of the future. With the rise of personal computers, cell phones and the Internet, though, the company was hard-pressed to build experiences that matched what visitors already had in their homes, say some longtime Disney watchers.
Today the company is facing a world where most people walking around its parks have a handheld, Internet-connected computer begging to draw their attention away from the immersive, and lucrative, experience at hand.
"It's definitely harder today and it takes more effort on our part today than it did in the past," said Scott Trowbridge, vice president of research and development at Disney's Glendale offices. "Our obligation to keep pace or beat that pace is also our opportunity to create new forms of magic ... as technology progresses, so does the size of our tool box."
As to what the article says about the difficulty of keeping technologically ahead of people with the internet in their pockets, that's absolutely true. It is hard. But last I checked, Imagineering is in the business of doing hard things. Talk to futurists and technologists, look at the progress in the fields you're interested in, and pick a time horizon. Make your best guess at what really cool technologies are still twenty to fifty years down the road. Those are your aspirational technologies. You tell stories about using those. Then take a look at what's maybe five years away from common usage. Once you have, you bring in prototypes and you let people interact with them. Then you throw in some out-there science fiction, like Star Wars, to catch people's imagination and excitement. Do you have to change things out a lot, and update your rides to match the progress of the real world? Yes, you do. But I believe it's worth it, and much more valuable in the long run than another Star Wars ride. I would much rather go to a park that I can believe takes me and itself seriously, rather than just feeding me more of what they think will keep me occupied for a few hours.
"Tomorrow is a heck of a thing to keep up with."
- Walter Elias Disney
Wow. NOT an awesome post. A woefully uninformed post because you lack any sort of knowledge of the "experience" that was Tomorrowland in 1967. You must agree that the other lands of Disneyland immerse you in the feeling of being in a "different place" and a "different time" as soon as you walk into it. That was the brilliance of Walt Disney and his imagination. Tomorrowland 1967 WAS that, in spades, and Michael Eisner and his crew killed it for some reason, and most of the posters here either never new of the feel of this land or have forgotten what it was like. Night time in Tomorrowland (from 1967) was "THE BEST" time I ever had in my life of going to Disneyland. I couldn't wait for night time to fall and go back into Tomorrowland. It had a "feel" like no other. The lighting, the movement, the action of the Tomorrowland terrace, it was exciting and at the same time relaxing.
To this day it was an experience like no other. If you have not stood in Tomorrowland during this exact time on a warm summer evening in 1967-1980, you should not have any say on wether it should return or not. With the Astro Jets flying over head, the motion of the People Mover cars always moving, the Goodyear speed ramps up to the People Mover platform, the Monorail passing overhead (windows down), the Submarines, the Carousel of Progress spinning, the Matterhorn mountain and bobsleds, the Autopia Corvettes, the Flight to the Moon building, the Skyway moving overhead, the feel of the warm air, the popcorn poping, the band playing, it was something that has been missing for a long long time. There are some things left (maybe half) and it is just a sad sad state.
They don't need to bring back 1967, but they could take that Tomorrowland and improve on it, especially with todays technology. It could be an even better 1967 Tomorrowland.
I think Space Mountain needs some holograms added to the Q and ride...as fun a it is....nothing in the ride feels like "Tomorrow" feels more like a ride made in the 70's and somewhat updated
I mean to be honest...at this point no ride/show there has anything that blows my mind...heck the tech in HM and Pirates is more impressive then anything found in Tomorrowland
Actually, the last Lunar landing was Apollo 17 in 1972...41 years.
When people say Tomorrowland needs to be updated, well to what? They say, "It's not as futuristic as it was when if first opened." Okay. On one hand you have people screaming for the People Mover and on the other hand you have people who want something totally futuristic. And in today's world, what exactly is tomorrow? I mean 10 years ago, to have phones that are connected to the internet was futuristic. Now, not so much. Do we look at Tomorrowland as a sci-fi land and just keep adding Star Wars, Star Trek, and the latest movie? Or do we look it as a place where people can let their imaginations run wild and become the creatives of the future that will think up of smart phones, etc. I'm still waiting for my flying car that was promised in the '50's!!!
Yes it is an emotional topic! Your right!
This post is also a good one. How do you change Tomorrowland? Do you do futuristic stuff? Do you just do the last movie? Etc.
Well, Walts vision was "a world on the move", and it worked, some might not think it was very "futuristic", but I don't think that it was intended to be futuristic. I think he took a simple idea, "mobility", that was going to be very important to everyone in the future, so he went with the transportation idea as his theme. I'm a car guy, so I liked it, and I think it made Tomorrowland very exciting. Simulating riding in a rocket to the moon, taking a submarine ride down to the bottom of the ocean, driving a car, flying in a plane, even the public transportation theme was fun with the monorail and people mover rides, and the circle vision theater idea was good too since it put you in motion with the camera, hold on to that handrail. Remember?
The Circle Vision idea really should come back too. Or maybe put a "Soaring over California" type ride where the Captain Eo theater is now. Combining the "Soaring" ride with the Circle Vision attraction, and you could do some amazing ride simulations. How about a 360 degree view from the cockpit of an Indy car or Stock Car at 200mph? Then switch to taking off or landing a fighter jet on an aircraft carrier? The possibilities are really endless for a good simulation ride or attraction if done correctly.
Request number 1 though: Get rid of the Jules Verne theme. (Ugh) And go back to the transportation theme.
Request number 2: Bring back the People Mover first.
Request number 3: Get rid of the Jules Verne themed rocket ride that blocks the entrance to Tomorrowland. Put it back up in the air where it belongs above the People Mover platform.
Request number 4: Bring back the CircleVision attraction. Updated of course. Either in the old location or the Captain EO theater.
Request number 5: Change the Submarine ride back to being a "voyage to the bottom of the sea" (not Jules Verne) theme. Something a bit more adult oriented because it really shouldn't be themed for 5 year old kids anyway. Sort of an expensive ride for little kids.
Request number 6: Put a ride back in the Flight to the moon building.
Request number 7: Skyway thru the Matterhorn back to Fantasyland. (Get the lawyers to let you put it back).
Tomorrowland used to be the best land and it can be again.
You guys have to see T67's photo set of the 1967 version of TL. I remember it as a place full of life, motion, excitement and a shiny glamour at night. What we're nostalgic for is that feeling. And originality, imagination, concept, the gestalt of being in a self-contained world based on a theme. As they say "The park is the ride."