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    Re: Disneyland Debate Thread: Monsters Invade Hollywoodland and Tron to rise TL again

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    We need a MuppetVision 2.0 if they keep it, that attraction was stale and dated on Day One at DCA.
    I disagree. Muppet*Vision is the last Muppets film directed by Jim Henson, who by all accounts was a creative visionary, and I think it's still an excellent film that holds up well to this day. To have Henson's final Muppet film lost to the ages would be a tragedy. It may not draw the biggest crowds, but neither does Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln. Some shows are worth preserving for their historical significance.

    That being said, while I'd be sad to see it go, I'd be okay with moving on to something new so long as Muppet*Vision was allowed to endure at Walt Disney World.
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    Re: Disneyland Debate Thread: Monsters Invade Hollywoodland and Tron to rise TL again

    Quote Originally Posted by Illusion0fLife View Post
    I disagree. Muppet*Vision is the last Muppets film directed by Jim Hensen, who by all accounts was a creative visionary, and I think it's still an excellent film that holds up well to this day. To have Hensen's final Muppet film lost to the ages would be a tragedy. It may not draw the biggest crowds, but neither does Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln. Some shows are worth preserving for their historical significance.

    That being said, while I'd be sad to see it go, I'd be okay with moving on to something new so long as Muppet*Vision was allowed to endure at Walt Disney World.
    Love Jim Henson and his characters, hate that schlock that Eisner produced.

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    Re: Disneyland Debate Thread: Monsters Invade Hollywoodland and Tron to rise TL again

    I just had an interesting thought about the possibility of a Monsters, Inc. Door Coaster in Hollywoodland. What if in the Mike and Sulley to the Rescue ride and during the part in the Door Vault scene, that area would open up inside part of the new coaster. I love how all the effects make the place larger than it really is. But it would be cool is we got a much larger version of that and gave guests a sneak peek at the new coaster at the same time. And if Monsters was gonna be expanded in Hollywoodland, I wouldn't mind the Monsters, Inc. Laugh Floor replacing Muppets.

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    Re: Disneyland Debate Thread: Monsters Invade Hollywoodland and Tron to rise TL again

    Iron Man would bring in so much more revenue than Tron. And i'm a die-hard Tron fan.


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    Re: Disneyland Debate Thread: Monsters Invade Hollywoodland and Tron to rise TL again

    Quote Originally Posted by chesirecat View Post
    A lot of conceptual and logistics type work has already gone into the Tron ride for Shanghai, hence Disney wouldn't have to spend time and money on developing an all new ride system for whatever is put on the People Mover tracks/Innoventions. When you look at the total acreage, Innoventions plus PeopleMover tracks is a lot of space. Now, not all of the track would necessarily be used. I think that the big double width track from the entrance of Tomorrowland to the old PeopleMover load area is in good condition, and could easily be retrofitted.

    I believe stairs would be needed per OSHA if you had the old People Mover, which if it lost power you might have to evac 50 people from that section of track alone, so you need stairs to escape a fire/handle the number of guests. If just a single light cycle is stopped, no big deal. Just have railings and walk the guests back to the People Mover station, or nearest exit point.

    With a Tron lightcycle ride, they might well want to bank the tracks this time, yes, this is $$ to do this, but it is not nearly as much money in longterm costs as paying for new tires and having to constantly adjust velocity so you don't fly off the track. So, they can bank one end of this track, have the light cycle go through scenes inside buildings, and dark ride scenes in Innoventions and you'd have a great ride.

    Why not Iron Man or Star Wars? Obviously, nothing is final until we have an announcement, but however you feel about Tron Legacy's plot, the world of Tron was visually stunning in the last film, and can be easily replicated with a small amount of space (think the People Mover tunnels inside of the Tomorrowland buildings) if you use flexible LED tech, screens . . . could look great, and you could add some night appeal to innoventions with flexible LED theming to make it look like the world of Tron.

    Test Track 2.0 in Disney World already has a very Tron-ish look to it . . . and it works pretty well.





    I think that if they do Monstropolis they will remove the horrible facade for Monsters Inc., and pretty much all the facades in this area, as well as repurpose the Muppet Theater and empty space, i.e. gut it for a Monsters Inc. E-Ticket, and make everything look like it fits together. Basically it will be like the difference between Sunshine Plaza and BVS, right now I don't even feel like I'm inside a Disney park, it looks hodge-podge like Universal.




    I think that for most guests the California part of DCA isn't very important. When you enter Carsland you don't really think that you're in California (I feel like I'm in Arizona or in Monument Valley which is the inspiration for Ornament Valley), at least I sure don't, you just appreciate the awesome details and artistry of the place. I think that when guests enter Monstropolis (if it gets built), then people will be enjoying that world and not thinking about California.

    I think the California part of DCA makes sense at the entrance into BVS, but beyond the Carthay, you enter into other worlds.



    I think Monstropolis would blend well with the rest of Hollywood land, which hopefully will be remade into something else at some point, given that Monstropolis is overall much like the human world. I would love the details they could add, i.e. the little Monster-related stuff that let's you know that you're not in the normal world.
    Totally agree on all your points.
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    Re: Disneyland Debate Thread: Monsters Invade Hollywoodland and Tron to rise TL again

    Quote Originally Posted by k_peek_2000 View Post
    Iron Man would bring in so much more revenue than Tron. And i'm a die-hard Tron fan.
    Feels like they're saving Star Wars and Marvel for a HEROES PARK. What do you guys think?

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    Re: Disneyland Debate Thread: Monsters Invade Hollywoodland and Tron to rise TL again

    Quote Originally Posted by Illusion0fLife View Post
    I disagree. Muppet*Vision is the last Muppets film directed by Jim Hensen, who by all accounts was a creative visionary, and I think it's still an excellent film that holds up well to this day. To have Hensen's final Muppet film lost to the ages would be a tragedy. It may not draw the biggest crowds, but neither does Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln. Some shows are worth preserving for their historical significance.

    That being said, while I'd be sad to see it go, I'd be okay with moving on to something new so long as Muppet*Vision was allowed to endure at Walt Disney World.
    Muppet Vision is actually still quite popular at WDW considering all the tourists. Because Disneyland has a high population of locals, the DCA version is often left in the dark because it's not an often re-visited attraction. So I think the WDW version will still be around for awhile.








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    Re: Disneyland Debate Thread: Monsters Invade Hollywoodland and Tron to rise TL again

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    Love Jim Henson and his characters, hate that schlock that Eisner produced.
    Eh, I personally think it's a classic, but to each his own. However, it's worth pointing out that Jim Henson was actively persuing Disney and as such the relationship was pretty amicable. Besides, Eisner was technically not a producer on the film, that role belonged to Ritamarie Peruggi.

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    Re: Disneyland Debate Thread: Monsters Invade Hollywoodland and Tron to rise TL again

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    Feels like they're saving Star Wars and Marvel for a HEROES PARK. What do you guys think?
    I have the same feeling. I just don't think we will see a big presence of Marvel or Star Wars (besides what is there now) in the current California parks.
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    Re: Disneyland Debate Thread: Monsters Invade Hollywoodland and Tron to rise TL again

    I recall the show centers around an annoying animated thing that is neither charming, cute, funny or attractive.

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    Re: Disneyland Debate Thread: Monsters Invade Hollywoodland and Tron to rise TL again

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    I recall the show centers around an annoying animated thing that is neither charming, cute, funny or attractive.
    Waldo?

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    Re: Disneyland Debate Thread: Monsters Invade Hollywoodland and Tron to rise TL again

    Yes! And it drove me crazy and ruined the rest of the show (I liked the live actors coming out on stage).

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    Re: Disneyland Debate Thread: Monsters Invade Hollywoodland and Tron to rise TL again

    Quote Originally Posted by DreamsofColor View Post
    There could even be a live Muppet show on the outdoor stage that could parody Disneyland attractions.
    ... I just had a moment. That would be spectacular!

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    Re: Disneyland Debate Thread: Monsters Invade Hollywoodland and Tron to rise TL again

    Quote Originally Posted by frollofan View Post
    Waldo?
    Why make a non muppet the star of the show, especially something with no redeeming qualities.

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    Re: Disneyland Debate Thread: Monsters Invade Hollywoodland and Tron to rise TL again

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    Why make a non muppet the star of the show, especially something with no redeeming qualities.
    Not to mention that it looks more like a ghost rather than an actual tangible object.

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