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    Re: What Disney Acquisition would you like to see more on the DLR in the future?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sambo View Post
    Maybe what you are missing is impossible to prove.

    Imagine a ride exactly like Indy with no reference to Indiana Jones - just a group of lost archaeologists - a guide on the rope and boulder - some other person at the end, and someone other than Sala on the film. All new characters not related.

    Now imagine RSR with different animatronic vehicles not resembling Pixar's Cars. The racing car ride tech being the same just totally new and original characters.

    So what would be the likelihood that these attractions would be failures rather than just as popular or nearly as popular. I don't think the Lucas or Pixar tie-in is what makes the ride a success - it's the overall ride and story experience - but those tie-ins are a definite plus. Icing on the cake as it were. I would still ride and enjoy these attractions without the Lucas or Pixar tie-in and with totally new and original characters instead. Wouldn't you?

    Or is it just me?

    We may never know as Disney no longer has the desire and likely the ability to create new and original works without the crutch of a franchise.
    No, it's not just you. Imagine if you will Toy Story Mania without the Pixar characters but instead with Mickey and the rest of his gang. Instead of the Mr. Potatohead animatronic how cool would it have been if it was, say, Donald?
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    Re: What Disney Acquisition would you like to see more on the DLR in the future?

    So is your position: "No promoting your multibillion dollar purchases of extremely popular family friendly characters, ever! Not in your parks!"

    Because the OP has a point. Disney owns Lucas' and Marvel's characters and you know they will introduce them to the parks eventually. So any brilliant ideas on how that could be done? If not, feel free to move along.

    If you think protecting the Disney brand is best done by steering them towards some good ideas (third park) and away from bad ones (Star Wars land overlay of Tomorrowland, Monstropolis in DCA), then keep reading.

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    Re: What Disney Acquisition would you like to see more on the DLR in the future?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    So is your position: "No promoting your multibillion dollar purchases of extremely popular family friendly characters, ever! Not in your parks!"
    No. It is one of moderation instead of oversaturation. I personally don't mind the occasional attraction or promotion, but everywhere all the time is both toxic and vapid. There once used to be somewhat of a balance 'twixt the tie-ins and original concepts (not tie-in or acquisition related). Some of us prefer balance over drowning in the deep end.

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    Re: What Disney Acquisition would you like to see more on the DLR in the future?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sambo View Post
    No. It is one of moderation instead of oversaturation. I personally don't mind the occasional attraction or promotion, but everywhere all the time is both toxic and vapid. There once used to be somewhat of a balance 'twixt the tie-ins and original concepts (not tie-in or acquisition related). Some of us prefer balance over drowning in the deep end.

    It's like the difference between having a glass of wine with a meal and going on a hangover inducing pub crawl.
    Bingo.

    Everywhere All The Time is not only toxic and vapid, it's turning the DLR into an infomercial. It's saying that Imagineering isn't allowed to create attractions without a Disney Marketing-approved "Paint By Numbers Set" that dictates the story, characters, settings and music. It's saying that guests aren't allowed to bring their own imaginations into play, as with Pirates or Haunted Mansion, they're only permitted to replay the same storyline as the movie, as with Nemo. Guests aren't allowed to be the key participant and star of the ride, as with Mr. Toad, they're only allowed to be passive spectators, as with Little Mermaid.
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    Re: What Disney Acquisition would you like to see more on the DLR in the future?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wiggins View Post
    Bingo.

    Everywhere All The Time is not only toxic and vapid, it's turning the DLR into an infomercial. It's saying that Imagineering isn't allowed to create attractions without a Disney Marketing-approved "Paint By Numbers Set" that dictates the story, characters, settings and music. It's saying that guests aren't allowed to bring their own imaginations into play, as with Pirates or Haunted Mansion, they're only permitted to replay the same storyline as the movie, as with Nemo. Guests aren't allowed to be the key participant and star of the ride, as with Mr. Toad, they're only allowed to be passive spectators, as with Little Mermaid.
    Bingo X2. I don't want to "re-live" a movie, I want to be able to think and absorb an attraction and not say "I remember that part in the movie".
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    Re: What Disney Acquisition would you like to see more on the DLR in the future?

    Quote Originally Posted by Disneymike View Post
    I have to agree with the majority in this thread, no more franchises! Come on Disney, come up with SOMETHING original!
    If it doesn't equal to dollars it won't happen, Disney is in the business of what have you done for me lately meaning no more originality in the parks , do you see what's happening in USH parks , it's all about competition , when Harry Potter Land opens in USH , Disney has to come up with some thing even bigger 10x times better , that's why we have d23expo every couple of years to show new stuff coming to the parks which means no more originality because sadly it doesnt equal to dollars they expect, we live in a society that wants something new every year and that's just the reality we live here today because of the rapid technology we have .

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    Re: What Disney Acquisition would you like to see more on the DLR in the future?

    Quote Originally Posted by DCAfanatic View Post
    ... we live in a society that wants something new every year and that's just the reality we live here today because of the rapid technology we have .
    Does the data support that, or does the data show that people are SOLD something new every year? This is far from a subtle difference.







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    Re: What Disney Acquisition would you like to see more on the DLR in the future?

    Quote Originally Posted by DCAfanatic View Post
    If it doesn't equal to dollars it won't happen, Disney is in the business of what have you done for me lately meaning no more originality in the parks
    This does appear the direction the parks are going but it doesn't have to be so. New Orleans Square was added to Disneyland with an E Ticket planned for each end and no established franchises anchoring the new land. I believe Imagineering is capable of that level of success again but the return on investment isn't seen fast enough. Their hands are tied with needing to provide a somewhat guaranteed success over a short period of time. A popular franchise anchoring an expansion, or remodel of an existing attraction, brings people through the gates faster than waiting for word to spread about a great new original attraction (even in the internet age).

    Any of the new franchises could show up in the parks and be great but they don't need to be as literal as Cars Land or Wizarding World. I'm just hopeful that, like CaliforniaAdventurer said, we encourage Disney to let the ideas show up in a good way.
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    Re: What Disney Acquisition would you like to see more on the DLR in the future?

    ORWEN: Well, I'd like it if the Disney company bought the Wiccan community and took that organization under its wing. I mean, can you just imagine all the attractions they could build with witchcraft in mind? We could have a flying broom contest all around the park. We could have a cauldron fondu--where you get to dip your favorite morsels into a mystery brew and, possibly, change your whole appearance. And we could even have hex education classes set up all around the park for novice little witches! I fall into a trance just dreaming about the possibilities!!!!

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    Re: What Disney Acquisition would you like to see more on the DLR in the future?

    It's hard to hear the "originality" debate when so much of what got Disney off the ground were movies that were adaptations of existing stories. Peter Pan, Snow White, Pinnochio... These in themselves weren't original. Mickey was original, everything else was someone else's idea just adapted to the Disney way of presenting it.

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    Re: What Disney Acquisition would you like to see more on the DLR in the future?

    Quote Originally Posted by fifthrider View Post
    It's hard to hear the "originality" debate when so much of what got Disney off the ground were movies that were adaptations of existing stories. Peter Pan, Snow White, Pinnochio... These in themselves weren't original. Mickey was original, everything else was someone else's idea just adapted to the Disney way of presenting it.
    Those movies may have defined was the studio was, but the real Imagineering projects that defined the park, the ones that made it unlike anything else, weren't the attractions based off of pre-existing properties. Said type of attraction certainly existed in the form of dark rides (which are certainly an important part of the park, and one that I do enjoy), but these weren't the rides that were the core of Disneyland. The rides that truly elevated Disneyland to a new standard of entertainment were the ones that were new, unique adventures that took Guests to new places, that opened new horizons of imagination and storytelling: Pirates, Haunted Mansion, "it's a small world", The Jungle Cruise, the Matterhorn, Tiki Room, Lincoln, Space Mountain, the Railroad, etc. These became the signature Disneyland attractions, icons of the park and its principles of imagination and originality and innovation. These are what made the park uniquely Disneyland, beyond just another extension of the Disney brand, but its own unique entity, a triumph of imagination and storytelling--not just a place to experience rehashes of Disney movies in three dimensions, but a place to experience the wonders of new worlds whose stories the Guests could interpret with their own imaginations through the various cues provided by this new three-dimensional medium. It wasn't just reliving moments from the screen or visiting worlds that we already knew, it was exploring the new, the fresh, the exciting, venturing into these worlds for the first time. I think that there's amazing magic in that exploration, in that discovery, in that uniqueness. This is part of the reason why franchise-based attractions can never convey the same depth as original works. Your imagination doesn't have as much space to breathe, you're limited in how you can interpret your surroundings and in what new discoveries can be made. The places that the Imagineers can take us are limited, the stories that they can tell are restricted to Disney's cannon and not the worlds that live solely inside the realms of the imagination. The best franchise-based attractions, like Star Tours and Indy, are the ones that offer your imagination more opportunities to expand, the ones that truly immerse you in a world with new details, that don't boggle you down with material that you've previously seen--often meaning that they are the the ones that can stand perfectly fine without their tie-in, they don't rely heavily on the movie's characters/events but on the spirit of that world and its ideas. But when the park becomes just another place to put brands, you lose that uniqueness, you lose that true sense of magic and wonder in whose conception imagination and originality play a critical role. You begin to experience the generic "Disney" brand rather than the new worlds that Disneyland had been praised for creating--- you begin to lose the uniqueness of Disneyland as its own magic kingdom offering new experiences as it becomes a place to relive worlds that we see on the screen. These worlds can definitely be dazzling and a fun place to visit, but the levels of creativity required to bring them to life and the levels of imagination that they evoke do not rival that of original art--that beautiful combination of story, design, and technology that defined Disneyland's identity and that made so many of us fall in love with the park.

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    Re: What Disney Acquisition would you like to see more on the DLR in the future?

    EXTREMELY well said gatheringrosebuds. It's all about the original rides, their stories, and the original experiences they create that help make Disneyland so much fun. If you ask most people hat their favorite rides are, like 90% of the time it's a ride that is not tied to a film (or created before a film was based on it): Pirate, Haunted Mansion, Space Mountain, etc.

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    Re: What Disney Acquisition would you like to see more on the DLR in the future?

    Quote Originally Posted by gatheringrosebuds View Post
    Those movies may have defined was the studio was, but the real Imagineering projects that defined the park, the ones that made it unlike anything else, weren't the attractions based off of pre-existing properties. Said type of attraction certainly existed in the form of dark rides (which are certainly an important part of the park, and one that I do enjoy), but these weren't the rides that were the core of Disneyland. The rides that truly elevated Disneyland to a new standard of entertainment were the ones that were new, unique adventures that took Guests to new places, that opened new horizons of imagination and storytelling: Pirates, Haunted Mansion, "it's a small world", The Jungle Cruise, the Matterhorn, Tiki Room, Lincoln, Space Mountain, the Railroad, etc. These became the signature Disneyland attractions, icons of the park and its principles of imagination and originality and innovation. These are what made the park uniquely Disneyland, beyond just another extension of the Disney brand, but its own unique entity, a triumph of imagination and storytelling--not just a place to experience rehashes of Disney movies in three dimensions, but a place to experience the wonders of new worlds whose stories the Guests could interpret with their own imaginations through the various cues provided by this new three-dimensional medium. It wasn't just reliving moments from the screen or visiting worlds that we already knew, it was exploring the new, the fresh, the exciting, venturing into these worlds for the first time. I think that there's amazing magic in that exploration, in that discovery, in that uniqueness. This is part of the reason why franchise-based attractions can never convey the same depth as original works. Your imagination doesn't have as much space to breathe, you're limited in how you can interpret your surroundings and in what new discoveries can be made. The places that the Imagineers can take us are limited, the stories that they can tell are restricted to Disney's cannon and not the worlds that live solely inside the realms of the imagination. The best franchise-based attractions, like Star Tours and Indy, are the ones that offer your imagination more opportunities to expand, the ones that truly immerse you in a world with new details, that don't boggle you down with material that you've previously seen--often meaning that they are the the ones that can stand perfectly fine without their tie-in, they don't rely heavily on the movie's characters/events but on the spirit of that world and its ideas. But when the park becomes just another place to put brands, you lose that uniqueness, you lose that true sense of magic and wonder in whose conception imagination and originality play a critical role. You begin to experience the generic "Disney" brand rather than the new worlds that Disneyland had been praised for creating--- you begin to lose the uniqueness of Disneyland as its own magic kingdom offering new experiences as it becomes a place to relive worlds that we see on the screen. These worlds can definitely be dazzling and a fun place to visit, but the levels of creativity required to bring them to life and the levels of imagination that they evoke do not rival that of original art--that beautiful combination of story, design, and technology that defined Disneyland's identity and that made so many of us fall in love with the park.
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    Re: What Disney Acquisition would you like to see more on the DLR in the future?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mondo Mouse View Post
    EXTREMELY well said gatheringrosebuds. It's all about the original rides, their stories, and the original experiences they create that help make Disneyland so much fun. If you ask most people hat their favorite rides are, like 90% of the time it's a ride that is not tied to a film (or created before a film was based on it): Pirate, Haunted Mansion, Space Mountain, etc.
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