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    Re: Editors Note: Multiple Disneyland Attractions Closed by DOSH for Safety Reasons

    Quote Originally Posted by pinkertonfloyd View Post
    All it takes is a different inspector to show up. A lot of their inspections are based on the Inspector's interpretation, not always 100% of the code. Basically one inspector could think a problem is minor, and another could think it's major. Same fault, same violation, but one inspector thinking it's more of an issue than another.
    All building code inspectors treat each violation differently. Some will gig how you hooked up the ground wires to a receptacle and you can fix one in front of him for approval, and he'll sign your job off as Approved as long as you promise to go back through and check/change them all. Others just write you up, say 'Call me back in two days' and leave.

    With "Alice in Wonderland" the old inspector kept dropping hints about the fall protection on that outside track segment, and they never did anything. Probably figured it was passed as built and opened, so it's Grandfathered. But that only gets you so far, especially on a Critical Safety item like that. Finally the Inspector had to drop the hammer on them and say 'Do It. Now.'

    So now we get to look at that glorious scaffolding till they shut the ride down for a few months and start on a permanent solution.

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    Re: Editors Note: Multiple Disneyland Attractions Closed by DOSH for Safety Reasons

    Looking at the railing over 30 inches violation, seems to point that they don't have a railing around the roof opening on Space Mountain. It's a *LOT* higher than 30 inches, but 30 inches is the law.

    Basically when you pop up a roof hatch and the platform has more than a 30 inch drop, you have to have a railing so that you don't climb up and slide/fall off.

    This is a fairly major issue. This type of setup is common, when you go up a roof ladder, there's a "cage" of railing around you so you don't just walk up and "over the cliff". It also usually becomes a tie-off point for safety in many cases. It also keeps others from falling "down the hole" from the open roof hatch (trust me, it happens!).



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    Re: Editors Note: Multiple Disneyland Attractions Closed by DOSH for Safety Reasons

    The Fire Extinguisher issues are stupid on Disney's part, it's common practice to contract with a company to handle this for you and insure your compliance. When I worked in Education, that's what we did, and a company came through and would swap one wing of a high school out in a rotation, all were inspected/refilled and certificated, and all documentation on the location, inspection results , etc were keep in the main office.

    Basically it should never be a problem...

    My currently office is in an association (think like a condo), while each one is owned by different companies, we get an annual inspection of our fire equipment every year, and they swap it out if anything is near expiration. Part of the association dues.

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    Re: Editors Note: Multiple Disneyland Attractions Closed by DOSH for Safety Reasons

    Looking at the documents, I don't think this was closed by DOSH, but Disney sat around and didn't take care of this. If you notice the Abatement dates hasn't hit, but will in the next week... someone put this off a little too long it seems, and like a kid reading the book the day before the book report is due, will have to pull a few all-nighters to get this done.

    I wonder if some of this got lost in the head-office switch-a-roo.

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    Re: Editors Note: Multiple Disneyland Attractions Closed by DOSH for Safety Reasons

    Quote Originally Posted by pinkertonfloyd View Post
    That's what the code is... but I am wondering if they're going to require have railings installed on any theater stage. (And hey, we all saw Kelsey Grammer take a tumble during the 50th ramp-up production).

    Just think, every school (oh wait, they're exempt), Church, etc might be in violation.

    But to be honest... you want a wailing on anything that high if there was a power loss and you took a tumble, that can be a broken ankle/leg...
    I don't think the citation mentioned how far the drop off was without railings . . . I believe a different issues from having proper anchorage points for working on the outside of Space. It seems the rule is above 30 inches you you need a railing, the citation doesn't say how far the drop off is . . . could be fix, six feet, who knows.

    I'm not a building code expert, but I saw some definite problem areas on Soarin' years ago with regards to areas where CMs could fall, and potentially guests if they wandered off.

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    Re: Editors Note: Multiple Disneyland Attractions Closed by DOSH for Safety Reasons

    Quote Originally Posted by pinkertonfloyd View Post
    Looking at the documents, I don't think this was closed by DOSH, but Disney sat around and didn't take care of this. If you notice the Abatement dates hasn't hit, but will in the next week... someone put this off a little too long it seems, and like a kid reading the book the day before the book report is due, will have to pull a few all-nighters to get this done.

    I wonder if some of this got lost in the head-office switch-a-roo.
    I bet it will cost them a lot of $$$ to get some ASAP construction work done. This isn't the sort of thing you want to have to do in a rush. Given there was a publicized accident, you'd think they'd have the lawyers and suits out there wringing their hands and shutting down Space for a day last fall, and then re-open it will construction happens backstage.

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    Re: Editors Note: Multiple Disneyland Attractions Closed by DOSH for Safety Reasons

    Quote Originally Posted by pinkertonfloyd View Post
    The Fire Extinguisher issues are stupid on Disney's part, it's common practice to contract with a company to handle this for you and insure your compliance. When I worked in Education, that's what we did, and a company came through and would swap one wing of a high school out in a rotation, all were inspected/refilled and certificated, and all documentation on the location, inspection results , etc were keep in the main office.

    Basically it should never be a problem...

    My currently office is in an association (think like a condo), while each one is owned by different companies, we get an annual inspection of our fire equipment every year, and they swap it out if anything is near expiration. Part of the association dues.

    Disney probably didn't farm this out as having a third party do this could be an issue as some fire extinguishers are located in rides and restaurants where there is heavy guest traffic during the day. Paying a third party to do this would take a week, or more, and cost a lot of $ versus doing it in-house. Imagine having to shutdown Pirates and have a CM escort a newbie from some fire extinguisher company so that they can spend 3 hours replacing and inspecting fire extingushers . . . they sure won't do it on the third shift at night unless they are paid a lot.

    The problem is that whoever does this in-house is clueless and wasn't doing a good job. If Disney got serious, they could form an in-house safety team whose job it is to do fire extinguishers, and other stuff, part time, and then use them for something else the rest of the time.

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    Re: Editors Note: Multiple Disneyland Attractions Closed by DOSH for Safety Reasons

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce Bergman View Post

    With "Alice in Wonderland" the old inspector kept dropping hints about the fall protection on that outside track segment, and they never did anything. Probably figured it was passed as built and opened, so it's Grandfathered. But that only gets you so far, especially on a Critical Safety item like that. Finally the Inspector had to drop the hammer on them and say 'Do It. Now.'

    So now we get to look at that glorious scaffolding till they shut the ride down for a few months and start on a permanent solution.

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    Disney is doing some CYA right now, if guest and routine maintenance areas are good to go, then the ride will probably reopen this week. As I see it, the non-routine maintenance such as sending workers to change lights in not easily accesible areas, and work on Space's roof, is mostly where the problem is. If there is a +30 inch drop off in say, the maintenance bay (have seen this area and this is an issue, surprised a CM hasn't fallen before, I would estimate a 4-5 foot drop with NO RAILINGS!), then they can put up some temporary, or even permanent railings, without much of a fuss.

    I predict Space will be open by the end of the week.

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    Re: Editors Note: Multiple Disneyland Attractions Closed by DOSH for Safety Reasons

    These rides have been operating for decades, and there have been few issues. On the surface, at least, Cal-OSHA is bringing down its bureaucratic hammer again for no valid reason. I will not be surprised to see painted tarps around all these rides, much like Alice in Wonderland, and certainly won't expect anyone at Disney to actually give a rats-patootie about it. Seems to me, with all of Disney's billions and billions of dollars, they could actually satisfy both the creative demands of the park AND OSHA somehow.

    What would happen if Disney just kept the rides operating? Lawsuits? Fines?

    This all sounds like a situation in which WAY too many lawyers are involved and not enough people with common sense.

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    Re: Editors Note: Multiple Disneyland Attractions Closed by DOSH for Safety Reasons

    Reading all the posts, what it boils down to is mindless bureaucracy, WAY too many lawyers, and far, far too many people who don't apply common sense in every day business matters, even down to the brainless, money-driven decisions to send out more and more work to contractors that used to be done in-house. Disney's money-mad ways and California's silly, petty bureaucracy both need to be re-evaluated.

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    Re: Editors Note: Multiple Disneyland Attractions Closed by DOSH for Safety Reasons

    Some of the delays here might be that the "official" paper was sent last week by the state, but the inspector would have given them a written report at the time of inspection. Sounds like a communications issue is going on here. The state taking months to get official paperwork done... that's pretty normal though =-).

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    Re: Editors Note: Multiple Disneyland Attractions Closed by DOSH for Safety Reasons

    Quote Originally Posted by IzzyInWonderland View Post
    Great. Another way for them to uglify our park. And the funny thing is, this park has survived nearly 60 years without being in compliance with any of this. Why now?
    Tell that to the dude who took a tumble down the side of Space Mountain at the end of last year. If the park was in compliance with a proper tie down point, that most likely wouldn’t have happened.
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    Re: Editors Note: Multiple Disneyland Attractions Closed by DOSH for Safety Reasons

    Quote Originally Posted by EC82 View Post
    This all sounds like a situation in which WAY too many lawyers are involved and not enough people with common sense.
    You should apply this with Disney. Ask why they didn't react earlier.

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    Re: Editors Note: Multiple Disneyland Attractions Closed by DOSH for Safety Reasons

    Quote Originally Posted by calsig31 View Post
    Tell that to the dude who took a tumble down the side of Space Mountain at the end of last year. If the park was in compliance with a proper tie down point, that most likely wouldn’t have happened.
    He wasn't the first one either. Screamin' had an employee who took an extra step backward and fell 5' and break his pelvis in 2009 I think.
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    Re: Editors Note: Multiple Disneyland Attractions Closed by DOSH for Safety Reasons

    I am Upset with DOSH. This is more about punishing Disneyland than really providing safety for anyone. I am sorry that the Disneyland employee got hurt back in November. But this is all about government overstepping its bounds. Nobody is safer because these rides were closed. I am sorry that accidents happen in the workplace, but every workplace has accidents. Sure we can make rides safer, but this is about government's not yet not having any commonsense.
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