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    Re: They ever going to reopen the fort or do anything with the North end of TSI?

    Quote Originally Posted by Disneymike View Post
    Also, there are CM's who do patrol the island for trash, just as they do on the mainland.
    Uh, they don't serve food/drinks, anymore on the island. Their job is *a lot* easier, plus there is the issue of drink cups in the river. One area of the island that seemed to always have drink cups in the plants around the river was the area outside of the secret entrance from the fort where folks wouldn't often eat the brownies/drink soda.

    The food on TSI had to be brought over by CMs working boats early in the morning, and as you can imagine, it was labor intensive, and not the easiest thing to accomplish. Disney got lazy/cheap, and in part due to safety reasons ended food service on TSI.

    They don't serve drinks on the Mark Twain because it came down to people throwing their cups into the river, and the cost of staffing an ODV location which wasn't as heavily trafficked as others.

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    Re: They ever going to reopen the fort or do anything with the North end of TSI?

    Quote Originally Posted by chesirecat View Post
    Part of the decision not to rebuild the fort for guest use was due to the fact that it is relatively dangerous to transport the food and trash to and from the fort, as well as the onerous task of trash pick-up on the island.
    Transporting food and trash to and from the island is no more dangerous than transporting people.

    Trash pick-up is S.O.P. for all of Disneyland; it's no more onerous on TSI than other parts of the park.
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    Re: They ever going to reopen the fort or do anything with the North end of TSI?

    Quote Originally Posted by sbk1234 View Post
    I had heard that it was closed largely due to rotting wood. I imagine ANYTHING could be fixed or rebuilt, but it all needs money, and a willingness to spend it. Even if they never reopen the fort, it would be cool if they built something else theme appropriate there, like an Indian village or something for guests to explore.
    They neglected the Mark Twain's rotting wood, due to lack of routine maintenance, and they paid to have it rebuilt. So, no, its not enough to simply say Fort Wilderness rotted away and hence its not open to guests anymore.

    Once the decision to end counter service was made, they basically *let* the place rot, and when it came time to put in a place for the Fantasmic! folks to rest and get ready for the show, they repurposed the area and put in a cheap fort.

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    Re: They ever going to reopen the fort or do anything with the North end of TSI?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wiggins View Post
    Transporting food and trash to and from the island is no more dangerous than transporting people.

    Trash pick-up is S.O.P. for all of Disneyland; it's no more onerous on TSI than other parts of the park.
    Not true.

    MK's TSI food service, Aunt Polly's, had a similar problem, the issue is that you're on a boat and your carrying/transporting heavy crates of food AND then you have to carry them up tortuous paths to the TSI dining location at Disneyland's TSI. It takes many more castmembers, and is labor intensive, and accidents have happened. And they instituted procedures, where as I remember, you had to have a lead there to supervise, a long with a couple other castmembers. More labor intensive, more time spent on said task, and the danger issue.

    Picking up trash on TSI in hard to reach locations is also an issue.

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    Re: They ever going to reopen the fort or do anything with the North end of TSI?

    Quote Originally Posted by chesirecat View Post
    Uh, they don't serve food/drinks, anymore on the island. Their job is *a lot* easier, plus there is the issue of drink cups in the river. One area of the island that seemed to always have drink cups in the plants around the river was the area outside of the secret entrance from the fort where folks wouldn't often eat the brownies/drink soda.

    The food on TSI had to be brought over by CMs working boats early in the morning, and as you can imagine, it was labor intensive, and not the easiest thing to accomplish. Disney got lazy/cheap, and in part due to safety reasons ended food service on TSI.

    They don't serve drinks on the Mark Twain because it came down to people throwing their cups into the river, and the cost of staffing an ODV location which wasn't as heavily trafficked as others.
    People bring drinks and snacks all the time on TSI as well as the Mark Twain, it's no different than if those locations were still serving. As for bringing the food over to the island, all they served was chips and small snacks and drinks which isn't labor intensive at all. The real reason for shutting the fort was the deplorable condition of the wood - which is documented - not due to trash and stocking the snack bar.
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    Re: They ever going to reopen the fort or do anything with the North end of TSI?

    Quote Originally Posted by chesirecat View Post
    Not true.

    MK's TSI food service, Aunt Polly's, had a similar problem, the issue is that you're on a boat and your carrying/transporting heavy crates of food AND then you have to carry them up tortuous paths to the TSI dining location at Disneyland's TSI. It takes many more castmembers, and is labor intensive, and accidents have happened. And they instituted procedures, where as I remember, you had to have a lead there to supervise, a long with a couple other castmembers. More labor intensive, more time spent on said task, and the danger issue.

    Picking up trash on TSI in hard to reach locations is also an issue.
    Aunt Polly's closed because nobody wanted to eat cold chicken, not because it was dangerous.
    And as an aside, Aunt Polly's has vending machines there now, how do you suppose they restock those?
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    Re: They ever going to reopen the fort or do anything with the North end of TSI?

    Quote Originally Posted by Disneymike View Post
    People bring drinks and snacks all the time on TSI as well as the Mark Twain, it's no different than if those locations were still serving. As for bringing the food over to the island, all they served was chips and small snacks and drinks which isn't labor intensive at all. The real reason for shutting the fort was the deplorable condition of the wood - which is documented - not due to trash and stocking the snack bar.
    Well, you can argue all you want. Yes, the fort was shut down, but they built something new for castmembers. They could have gone the 9 yrds and rebuilt FW, perhaps even with a backstage area for CMs, but they didn't. Part of the reason was cost/effort of serving food there, and the greatly increased amount of trash, they'd already "given up" on Fort Wilderness, post accident and then termites forced them to make a decision.

    Sure, some folks nurse old sodas they got in NOS, but there was a lot more trash when they had brownies, sodas . . . maybe you don't remember who was responsible for shutting down counter service.

    Ask somebody who knows.
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    Re: They ever going to reopen the fort or do anything with the North end of TSI?

    Quote Originally Posted by Disneymike View Post
    Aunt Polly's closed because nobody wanted to eat cold chicken, not because it was dangerous.
    And as an aside, Aunt Polly's has vending machines there now, how do you suppose they restock those?
    Yes, Aunt Polly has vending machines, which they added after the place was shuttered. But again, they go throw a whole lot less plastic sodas than they do food stuffs and drinks when Aunt Polly's was in full swing. It's the difference between stocking the vending every couple days, or less, and having to stock every morning and bring over tons of food/drinks. And yes, there was a trash problem, and that problem is much reduced. And there was an accident at MK involving CMs moving foodstuffs to the island, in the end it was a cost issue. Surprise, surprise.

    There's been more stuff on the menu besides cold chicken. Of course, if nobody liked the menu (not true) then why didn't they just change it?

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    Re: They ever going to reopen the fort or do anything with the North end of TSI?

    Quote Originally Posted by chesirecat View Post
    Well, you can argue all you want. Yes, the fort was shut down, but they built something new for castmembers. They could have gone the 9 yrds and rebuilt FW, perhaps even with a backstage area for CMs, but they didn't. Part of the reason was cost of serving food there, and the greatly increased amount of trash, they'd already "given up" on Fort Wilderness, post accident and then termites forced them to make a decision.
    Food service at the fort ended long before they ended up closing it. If anything, a food service location that was making money would be even more justification for rebuilding and reopening the fort - not justification for closing it.

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    Re: They ever going to reopen the fort or do anything with the North end of TSI?

    Quote Originally Posted by chesirecat View Post
    Well, you can argue all you want. Yes, the fort was shut down, but they built something new for castmembers. They could have gone the 9 yrds and rebuilt FW, perhaps even with a backstage area for CMs, but they didn't. Part of the reason was cost of serving food there, and the greatly increased amount of trash, they'd already "given up" on Fort Wilderness, post accident and then termites forced them to make a decision.

    Sure, some folks nurse old sodas they got in NOS, but there was a lot more trash when they had brownies, sodas . . . maybe you don't remember who was responsible for shutting down counter service.

    Ask somebody who knows.
    I'm sure the small returns of profit had something to do with Disney not re-opening the snack bar when the fort was rebuilt plus the fact that Fantasmic uses the fort. The fact is the fort was closed due to safety issues with the structure itself due to crappy maintenance during the Dark Ages, aka the Pressler era.
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    Re: They ever going to reopen the fort or do anything with the North end of TSI?

    Quote Originally Posted by Disneymike View Post
    The fact is the fort was closed due to safety issues with the structure itself due to crappy maintenance during the Dark Ages, aka the Pressler era.
    Or maybe it just was just 50 year old log fort. Log forts aren't really known for their staying power.

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    Re: They ever going to reopen the fort or do anything with the North end of TSI?

    Quote Originally Posted by Disneymike View Post
    People bring drinks and snacks all the time on TSI as well as the Mark Twain, it's no different than if those locations were still serving.
    LOL, as I remember it, they didn't want to "enable" the litter bugs on the island by providing them with all the wrappers, paper cups, and straws that was turning the place into a nightmare for custodial to clean up everyday.

    So actually . . . it is a big difference when they put trash cans everywhere near the raft docks, versus providing the trash on the island. Some folks bring drinks, but b/c they don't serve food and drinks on the island . . . there is a whole lot less trash.

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    Re: They ever going to reopen the fort or do anything with the North end of TSI?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrLiver View Post
    Or maybe it just was just 50 year old log fort. Log forts aren't really known for their staying power.
    No, they are not. But maintenance goes a long way between fixing the place and tearing it down.
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    Re: They ever going to reopen the fort or do anything with the North end of TSI?

    Quote Originally Posted by chesirecat View Post
    LOL, as I remember it, they didn't want to "enable" the litter bugs on the island by providing them with all the wrappers, paper cups, and straws that was turning the place into a nightmare for custodial to clean up everyday.

    So actually . . . it is a big difference when they put trash cans everywhere near the raft docks, versus providing the trash on the island. Some folks bring drinks, but b/c they don't serve food and drinks on the island . . . there is a whole lot less trash.
    I'm sure there is a lot less trash, but that's not the reason they closed the Fort.
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    Re: They ever going to reopen the fort or do anything with the North end of TSI?

    FW's snack bar was profitable, though less than other ODV locations. Ask anybody who has worked in the park. The cup for a soda costs maybe 10 cents, the soda maybe 1 cent? This was back in the day when they had carbonated soft drinks in paper cups at FW. Baking up a ton of brownies and then selling them for dollars a piece. Profitable.

    The attitude at the time was that they have ODV locations all up and down NOS, and they're a heck of a lot easier to restock. Why not spend the money on opening up a couple of ODVs in NOS, or elsewhere, let folks carry their drinks (if they want), or eat/drink their snacks before they go to the island.

    The island will have much less trash tossed in relatively inaccessible places, and they won't have to have safety and logistics issues with restocking everyday.

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