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    Is Disney Making a Mistake With the Trackless Ride Vehicles?

    I was extremely disappointed when the Disneyland version of Winnie The Pooh ended up far inferior to the Tokyo Disneyland version -- and I thought that Anaheim's decision not to use the trackless ride system was a huge mistake.

    Now I learn that the Ratatouille attraction slated for Disneyland Paris will also feature the trackless ride system and that the entire ride experience will take place on a single floor of the show building.

    What a minute. The drops in the Pirates of the Caribbean are essential to that experience -- imagine POTC without them. Universal made great use of a tracked motion base in the Harry Potter and the Forbidden Journey attraction by making the ride vehicles move in three dimensions.

    Disney's use of trackless ride systems (with the exception of the Hollywood Tower of Terror in Orlando) appears stuck in one plane of motion. Is this a serious failure of ride design on the part of Imagineering?
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    Re: Is Disney Making a Mistake With the Trackless Ride Vehicles?

    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorQ9 View Post
    I was extremely disappointed when the Disneyland version of Winnie The Pooh ended up far inferior to the Tokyo Disneyland version -- and I thought that Anaheim's decision not to use the trackless ride system was a huge mistake.

    Now I learn that the Ratatouille attraction slated for Disneyland Paris will also feature the trackless ride system and that the entire ride experience will take place on a single floor of the show building.

    What a minute. The drops in the Pirates of the Caribbean are essential to that experience -- imagine POTC without them. Universal made great use of a tracked motion base in the Harry Potter and the Forbidden Journey attraction by making the ride vehicles move in three dimensions.

    Disney's use of trackless ride systems (with the exception of the Hollywood Tower of Terror in Orlando) appears stuck in one plane of motion. Is this a serious failure of ride design on the part of Imagineering?
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    Why do you consider it a failure? Maybe it was only designed for one purpose of being a flat line vehicle.
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    Re: Is Disney Making a Mistake With the Trackless Ride Vehicles?

    Quote Originally Posted by Disneymike View Post
    Why do you consider it a failure? Maybe it was only designed for one purpose of being a flat line vehicle.
    The POTC boats were originally thought to be a single plan ride vehicle, but they found a way to have them ride down rails in a waterfall. Though this was driven largely by the need to reach the Show Building outside the berm, it was such a great element to the attraction that Disney kept it in the ride design at WDW even though no berm was present.

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    Re: Is Disney Making a Mistake With the Trackless Ride Vehicles?

    I think you have oversimplified for creating argument. There are many more possibilities for trackless ride systems.
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    Re: Is Disney Making a Mistake With the Trackless Ride Vehicles?

    Quote Originally Posted by swampymarsh View Post
    I think you have oversimplified for creating argument. There are many more possibilities for trackless ride systems.
    Then why isn't Disney utilizing them?

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    Re: Is Disney Making a Mistake With the Trackless Ride Vehicles?

    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorQ9 View Post
    Then why isn't Disney utilizing them?
    What?

    I think you are completely missing the point of the trackless ride system as both Winnie the Pooh and Mystic Manor have vehicle motions that are significantly more complex and interesting than anything Pirates or Potter can ever dream of.

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    Re: Is Disney Making a Mistake With the Trackless Ride Vehicles?

    How would a change in elevation improve Ratatouille, Mystic Manor, or Hunny Hunt? By the way, the trackless ride portion of TOT is still on one plane. Additionally, the track of Forbidden Journey doesn't have a change in elevation. There's no point in a change of elevation in dark rides unless it adds to the experience or saves space.

    Rave, the Harry Potter vehicles are far more complex than the trackless ride system cars.

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    Re: Is Disney Making a Mistake With the Trackless Ride Vehicles?

    Also remember, Ratatouille is on one floor because they're using the height of the building to enhance the ride. You're supposed to be the size of a rat!

    I'd love to hear your ideas as to how Disney can enhance this technology! I honestly have no clue what they could do.
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    Re: Is Disney Making a Mistake With the Trackless Ride Vehicles?

    To get an idea what the trackless ride vehicle can do, check out a sample from ETF Rides who I believe might be building the system for Disney. ETF Group*-*ETF Group - Nederweert - Holland

    I think it will be interesting to see how they use the trackless ride systems in Antarctica: Empire of the Penguin ride at Sea World.

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    Re: Is Disney Making a Mistake With the Trackless Ride Vehicles?

    Quote Originally Posted by AtomicBear View Post
    To get an idea what the trackless ride vehicle can do, check out a sample from ETF Rides who I believe might be building the system for Disney. ETF Group*-*ETF Group - Nederweert - Holland

    I think it will be interesting to see how they use the trackless ride systems in Antarctica: Empire of the Penguin ride at Sea World.

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    Re: Is Disney Making a Mistake With the Trackless Ride Vehicles?

    Not sure what I think of this... the opportunities of the trackless system aren't entirely realized yet, and if there is an elevation problem that can't be worked around. Generally, I don't think this is a problem unless for one of the two reasons mentioned above, to make better use of space or to provide a better experience. The major reason I don't think they use them in the US parks is probably because of the cost. Generally, the tracked rides are more traditional and I think Disney just uses them because they're well, cheaper, and unless it's a very popular ride that would be a people eater, I'm just not sure they'd really use it. So really it might not be an imagineering issue so much as it is an issue with management.

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    Re: Is Disney Making a Mistake With the Trackless Ride Vehicles?

    It's not about what the ride system is capable of but what you do with it that matter. The best tech out there doesn't guarantee a great ride experience. Sometimes simpler is better

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    Re: Is Disney Making a Mistake With the Trackless Ride Vehicles?

    Disney need to stay ahead of their competition, so investment in this is vital. Immagineering can do great work when they put their mind towards a world class attraction
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    Re: Is Disney Making a Mistake With the Trackless Ride Vehicles?

    I could use more Mystic Manor in my life. It doesn't matter to me what tech they are using to bring the story to life, only that what they are using is effective in doing it.
    To me, Disneyland has been a bit prosaic in that department as of late.

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    Re: Is Disney Making a Mistake With the Trackless Ride Vehicles?

    The Twilight Zone Tower of Terror does not use the same system seen at Pooh's Hunny Hunt or Mystic Manor. The former is a guide-by-wire system and the latter use the LPS system.

    Limitations exist for every ride system and at present one for LPS is the need for a flat floor surface.

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