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    Carsland's Sinking Street and Berm Problems

    Just read on Miceage that Carsland's main thoroughfare is being resurfaced due to the sinking of the surface below structures like manholes and drains, which is a problem as guests could trip over them, and that John Lasseter and Co. are onsite to supervise this, (though it sounds like a pretty trivial repair to me if they make it look aesthetically the same as the old walkway).

    Though most guests don't know it, most of Disneyland's walkways are made out of a material that has more give than pure concrete, and helps guests walk a long distance before their feet get tired. I was very impressed with how comfortable the main walk way in Carsland was, and obviously it is a whole lot more comfortable than asphalt, and more comfortable than a lot of the walkways around DCA.

    Kinda surprised that Lasseter and Co. are supervising this project.

    With regards to the de-forested berm which is plainly visible from the Mark Twain, its been this way for years, sadly. Can't help but think that Disney isn't paying the tens of thousands of dollars needed to fix it as this area of the park could potentially be used for a Frontierland expansion. Why spend tens of thousands on a tree that will only be dug up in a couple years? Though obviously some shrubs/tall plants could be used to help restore the visual berm.

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    Re: Carsland's Sinking Street and Berm Problems

    They better be using Bessie, and have McQueen pulling it... that would be a heck of a movie tie-in.


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    Re: Carsland's Sinking Street and Berm Problems

    I don't think Disney even cares that guest can see the outside world from inside Disneyland. It's been that way in Tomorrowland for decades. And they certainly didn't care when constructing DCA.


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    Re: Carsland's Sinking Street and Berm Problems

    Yea yea yea, and the Matterhorn is sinking and so is the castle. Take this story with a HUGE grain of salt. Im very doubtful.

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    Re: Carsland's Sinking Street and Berm Problems

    If there has to be severe construction to Cars Land already I will be disappointed.
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    Re: Carsland's Sinking Street and Berm Problems

    Quote Originally Posted by chesirecat View Post
    With regards to the de-forested berm which is plainly visible from the Mark Twain, its been this way for years, sadly. Can't help but think that Disney isn't paying the tens of thousands of dollars needed to fix it as this area of the park...
    I'm sure it's a deliberate decision to keep the park safe. Considering all the trees that have fallen and hurt people, and the fact that the berm was never designed to support those giant trees, I think it would be pretty reckless to re-plant them.

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    Re: Carsland's Sinking Street and Berm Problems

    Quote Originally Posted by NineteenTwenty8 View Post
    Yea yea yea, and the Matterhorn is sinking and so is the castle. Take this story with a HUGE grain of salt. Im very doubtful.
    TDA saw how successful the sinkhole under Horizons was.

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    Re: Carsland's Sinking Street and Berm Problems

    This seems more plausible. They are just talking about pavement settling, not claiming that all of Cars Land is sinking.

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    Re: Carsland's Sinking Street and Berm Problems

    Anaheim does sit on top of a natural aquifer. It is entirely possible that a sinkhole could form if construction was shabby. Hope this isn't a cover up of bigger problems.

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    Re: Carsland's Sinking Street and Berm Problems

    Quote Originally Posted by MrLiver View Post
    I'm sure it's a deliberate decision to keep the park safe. Considering all the trees that have fallen and hurt people, and the fact that the berm was never designed to support those giant trees, I think it would be pretty reckless to re-plant them.
    They could easily plant medium height trees, or even large shrubbery, on the far side of the berm, to shield the view of backstage areas. At the very least they could put in some camo netting that is plussed with fake plants or paint the backstage buildings go away green.

    In terms of the berm being unsafe for planting trees, they could enlarge the width of the berm by 15 feet, and that would be enough space, in my opinion, to plant a variety of trees without having to worry about problems with the root system.

    Not saying you're not right about safety, but there are a lot of creative ways to address this sight line issue.

    If they expand Frontierland they'll be planting a lot of new trees anyway.

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    Re: Carsland's Sinking Street and Berm Problems

    Quote Originally Posted by doppio View Post
    I don't think Disney even cares that guest can see the outside world from inside Disneyland. It's been that way in Tomorrowland for decades. And they certainly didn't care when constructing DCA.
    Well, Carsland has a large berm shielding part of the land in the form of the Cadillac Mountain range.

    The explanation for why DCA has no berm is that Disney wanted the real outside world of California to be seen, or soak into, DCA . . . if anybody bought that story.

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    Re: Carsland's Sinking Street and Berm Problems

    Quote Originally Posted by chesirecat View Post
    Not saying you're not right about safety, but there are a lot of creative ways to address this sight line issue.
    Why would they spend so much money on something that's not even a problem?

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    Re: Carsland's Sinking Street and Berm Problems

    Quote Originally Posted by NineteenTwenty8 View Post
    Yea yea yea, and the Matterhorn is sinking and so is the castle. Take this story with a HUGE grain of salt. Im very doubtful.
    Uhh?

    We are talking about the (brand new) asphalt that is in Cars Land, not a full attraction or icon "sinking". If this construction was rushed, or not done properly from the gate this is 100% possible.

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    Re: Carsland's Sinking Street and Berm Problems

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    They better be using Bessie, and have McQueen pulling it... that would be a heck of a movie tie-in.

    Perhaps you are the only other person who has seen cars. Radiator Springs has fresh black pavement.

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    Re: Carsland's Sinking Street and Berm Problems

    Quote Originally Posted by explodingboy View Post
    Uhh?

    We are talking about the (brand new) asphalt that is in Cars Land, not a full attraction or icon "sinking". If this construction was rushed, or not done properly from the gate this is 100% possible.
    This is very likely the closest to the actual truth that we'll ever get.

    It takes both time and effort (read $$$) to properly compact dirt that's been disturbed.

    No doubt it was tested, but these tests can be rushed, altered and even outright bought.

    This problem is just another example of the consequences of rushed construction, and to an even greater degree, a contractor who is more interested in profit than quality.

    Sound familiar, TDC???

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