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    Re: Could a "Disneyland" be built today?

    Great post, Randy. I've never even considered a theme park without commercialism. Wouldn't it be substituted for ideology, like the Bible theme park in Orlando?

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    Re: Could a "Disneyland" be built today?

    Quote Originally Posted by RandySavage View Post
    Great post. Nothing would make me happier than someone come along with the Money (it would take many billion$ to do it right on a full-theme park level),the Vision and the Guts to fund the next-gen theme park - no franchise tie-ins, no modern, overwhelming commercialism, a higher-level of immersiveness, fewer breaks in the illusion.

    Eddie Sotto brilliantly describes this kind of vision on his WDWmagic thread:


    Awesome post and exactly along the lines of what I was thinking! You always hear "Next-Gen"... who's to say it couldn't be applied to a whole park?

    By the way, I visit your blog often RandySavage and I love it. It is exactly what I like to do and partially inspired me to start this thread. I am fascinated with the construction and planning of these parks as much as the final product and experience. I just don't have the technical skills (or programs lol) to put it out there like you do A hand-drawn idea is more my skill level at the moment!

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    Re: Could a "Disneyland" be built today?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    Great post, Randy. I've never even considered a theme park without commercialism. Wouldn't it be substituted for ideology, like the Bible theme park in Orlando?
    I don't think commercialism need be eliminated entirely, only subdued and that it strictly serve the theme/story being presented. I do think there is a potential for theme park experience that moves in the direction of "Westworld" or the Holodecks of Star Trek or the Michael Douglas film "The Game." One challenge to this type of hyper-level virtual (but still physical) reality would be what other visitors bring to the situation (e.g. what they wear).

    Quote Originally Posted by SaabR View Post
    By the way, I visit your blog often RandySavage and I love it. It is exactly what I like to do and partially inspired me to start this thread. I am fascinated with the construction and planning of these parks as much as the final product and experience. I just don't have the technical skills (or programs lol) to put it out there like you do A hand-drawn idea is more my skill level at the moment!
    Thanks very much. Most things begin with rough-drawings, basic bubble maps, thumbnail sketches, etc. so keep drawing!
    Last edited by RandySavage; 05-23-2013 at 09:22 AM.

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    Re: Could a "Disneyland" be built today?

    Quote Originally Posted by micromind View Post
    let alone all the various idiotic and unnecessary building regulations.
    Its very easy to do to call building regulations idiotic and unnecessary and that is just what you did, It much more difficult to give examples of the idiotic and unnecessary building regulations. Could please give us a example of what is idiotic and unnecessary when it comes to building..
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    Re: Could a "Disneyland" be built today?

    Quote Originally Posted by tahoebob54 View Post
    Its very easy to do to call building regulations idiotic and unnecessary and that is just what you did, It much more difficult to give examples of the idiotic and unnecessary building regulations. Could please give us a example of what is idiotic and unnecessary when it comes to building..
    Sorry, I cannot answer your question; but I do have some thoughts on the subject.

    I do not see how another theme park like Disneyland could ever be created with all the competition out there; especially Harry Potter. My kids love Disneyland and the only other theme park (in 25 years while raising them) that they asked to go to was "Orlando's Harry Potter world" or whatever it is called. I have told them, just wait - there will be some kind of Harry Potter something that they will build here in California that my youngest son says is going to happen in the next few years.

    Harry Potter is a worldwide phenomenon that happened with my kid's generation and they adore it. I think that if they do build a "Harry Potter" theme park in LA somewhere; well that may be the only theme park that DL/DCA would have to worry about. Those books will be shared by them as parents to their kids and whatever theme park is attached to that would be very popular.

    I agree that it would close to impossible to build what Walt and his Imagineers did in 1955 with such a tight budget and the use of "television" as a marketing tool.

    Another thought on this subject: Disney builds "Disneylands" now all over the world. Was this an intentional way to keep the Disney brand theme parks always on the top of this "food chain"? Therefore, making it impossible for any other type of adult/kids theme park to compete?

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    Re: Could a "Disneyland" be built today?

    Disneyland, as we know it, wasn't built overnight. It grew and prospered and has now become one of the most iconic theme parks in the world. To try and recreate this in this day and age is nearly impossible and I guarantee you, no investor will back you up, not without providing a solid body of "themes" and characters that can be integrated into the park.

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    Re: Could a "Disneyland" be built today?

    All it would take is ONE person with imagination, courage, forsight, money, and luck who controls all - and makes all the decisions about money without having to clear his decisions with a board of directors.

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    Re: Could a "Disneyland" be built today?

    Quote Originally Posted by RacerGT View Post
    ... Disney builds "Disneylands" now all over the world. Was this an intentional way to keep the Disney brand theme parks always on the top of this "food chain"? Therefore, making it impossible for any other type of adult/kids theme park to compete?
    It was as soon as Eisner arrived with his winner-eat-all mass marketing M.O. "Dominate the demographic" has been their motto ever since.
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    Re: Could a "Disneyland" be built today?

    This tread doesn't make sense. With no evidence, somehow there is doubt.

    The evidence is new Disneyland's are built every single year. Disney is building them. Other companies are building them. New construction is getting more elaborate with more details and more expensive materials.

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    Re: Could a "Disneyland" be built today?

    Quote Originally Posted by RacerGT View Post

    Harry Potter is a worldwide phenomenon that happened with my kid's generation and they adore it. I think that if they do build a "Harry Potter" theme park in LA somewhere; well that may be the only theme park that DL/DCA would have to worry about. Those books will be shared by them as parents to their kids and whatever theme park is attached to that would be very popular.
    The intial construction phase of "The Wizarding World of Harry Potter" has begun at Universal Studios Hollywood.

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    Re: Could a "Disneyland" be built today?

    Quote Originally Posted by StevenW View Post
    The evidence is new Disneyland's are built every single year. Disney is building them. Other companies are building them. New construction is getting more elaborate with more details and more expensive materials.
    Good point!

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    Re: Could a "Disneyland" be built today?

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    Re: Could a "Disneyland" be built today?

    Quote Originally Posted by StevenW View Post
    This tread doesn't make sense. With no evidence, somehow there is doubt.

    The evidence is new Disneyland's are built every single year. Disney is building them. Other companies are building them. New construction is getting more elaborate with more details and more expensive materials.
    Of course there are parks being built and with the Disney name (or others, Universal, etc), they have a built-in audience now. Point taken!

    I guess the question should be more: Could an original concept park be successful on the same kind of scale?

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    Re: Could a "Disneyland" be built today?

    Quote Originally Posted by SaabR View Post
    I guess the question should be more: Could an original concept park be successful on the same kind of scale?
    Exactly. What Disney is doing is copying parks and filling them with cloned rides which are themselves copied from movies. It's a paint-by-numbers approach to theme parks that has little in common with the creation of Disneyland.
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    Re: Could a "Disneyland" be built today?

    Quote Originally Posted by SaabR View Post
    I guess the question should be more: Could an original concept park be successful on the same kind of scale?
    There is some interesting stuff going on in China. See the Hong Kong Disneyland thread where a "new Orlando" proposal is happening outside of Macau. It looks absolutely original.

    The Universal Studio's project of Diagon Alley is completely original. Universal Studio is an original concept of a studios park. Then it get a new land based on Harry Potter. Even Disney didn't attempt to split an IP between two parks with two lands linked with an interpark transportation.

    I happen to think the DCA renovation is the type of innovation that Disney needs to do more. I wonder if WDW gets the hint. DCA now works as a park, but it still needs to fix the Hollywood land and get another new land.

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