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    Re: Al Report: The Reality of the Disneyland Explosion, D23 Expo, Fantasyland Updatin

    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Bob View Post
    I'd prefer that Soarin' stayed about California, I'd love to see it given an upgrade to a Star Tours II style of ride with the same musical score used. Then they could just swap various sections of film that have a similar emotional feeling as the existing ones so it always fits with the score. However, I'd much rather see this happen then the Monsters Land.

    It's really about the difference between a land and an individual attraction. Rides have inherently more flexibility in what you experience, particularly if they are enclosed. Lands, as John Hench liked to say, need a lack of visual intrusions to be convincing. I would have less of a problem with the Monsters idea if it was complete enclosed in a huge building that looked like Hollywood in the 40's on the outside. Ideally, you could walk through an apartment, into a kids room and through a closet door into a more vintage version of Monstropolis. But still, even that is a poor use of the space that should go to a ride to firm up the vintage Hollywood theme.

    I'd just keep the Monsters ride and make a few upgrades. It's a decent little dark ride, but its in a dead corner and has a horrid exterior. I would do like I described above, the building would look like a 40's apartment building and you'd enter a kid's room in the queue and pass through the door and enter Monstropolis. Then I'd make a few upgrades to some of the AA's and sound effects. Once that's done I'd completely rip out the back-lot except for maybe a few of the facades that could be reused and use all that space for a huge modern dark ride and put the entrance to that near Monsters so it wasn't so out of the way.
    I think that sounds very creative. It sort of reminds me of Pirates in a way. You start off in a setting based off of the land but then are transported to a different one via a portal (in Pirates it's the talking skull and the drop)

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    Re: Al Report: The Reality of the Disneyland Explosion, D23 Expo, Fantasyland Updatin

    Quote Originally Posted by planodisney View Post
    Doing this would be NO different than changing The American Adventure to an attraction where Ben Franklin comes on stage, gives a little speech, then we follow him on his journey to France and learn about the French revolution.
    I would not be opposed to Ben Franklin including information about how France helped America in it's revolution. When you take an American History class, you do learn about foreign contributions in creating this country. To have a well informed view of how America came to be, you have to venture outside it's physical borders.


    You can argue either side of pretty much anything in DCA whether it has enough California DNA to be included in a park about the state. BVS is inspired by LA's look during a time frame but is not a replica of an actual street in California. Does that mean it should be in DCA? Certainly the architectual style is not exclusive to California. I don't walk down the street and say this is California! You can argue either side about Carsland belong in DCA. Bug's land. Well California has bugs I guess, but that's stretching a bit.

    It comes down to how literal you want to be. I feel the spirit of those aviation pioneers was to explore the world. Many of them hailed from California. Honoring them in the queue shows California's contribution to aviation and then we get to sit back and enjoy the strides they made, allowing us to see the world they made possible through their innovations. Was California the only state to have such pioneers? No, but no state or country has exclusive influence on any human achievement.

    So we can revisit the debate when a new attraction comes to DCA. Introducing Mission Space staring Wall-E, built by JPL. Perfect synergy of California's aerospace contributions with a Disney tie in. Just kidding Disney, please don't do that.

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    Re: Al Report: The Reality of the Disneyland Explosion, D23 Expo, Fantasyland Updatin

    I like how each area represents a different decade and a different region of the state...

    Just need an expansion with a 70's HOTEL CALIFORNIA where they haven't served wine since 1969.

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    Re: Al Report: The Reality of the Disneyland Explosion, D23 Expo, Fantasyland Updatin

    The best part of soarin is the ride itself. The video is icing on top. That's why I have no fluff in a change of video. This ride is about flying not sitting down watching Ben frank tell a story. It makes perfect sense that an airplane could start in Cali and tour the world and HIGHLIGHT how Cali inspired and was inspired by the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lazyboy97O View Post
    But why is it there? Theme parks are an exercise in story telling. The constant over reliance on flimsy linkages are a sort of deus ex machina and do nothing for the experience or the medium.
    The WHOLE POINT of Soarin', and the Condor Flats area overall was California's involvement in the development and advancements in flight, NOT where aircraft could take you. To make Soarin' a travelogue of the world completely removes it from the role California played in aviation development. If anything, they should have the attraction take you through point-of-view experiences relating to the various historical California aviation breakthroughs (desert test flights [Yeager], Bell X-1, X-15, SR-71, Spruce Goose, Voyager [Rutan], Mojave Space Center, etc.).

    California has a lot of history that the Condor Flats attractions could cover. The rest of the world kind of takes away from that intent.

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    Re: Al Report: The Reality of the Disneyland Explosion, D23 Expo, Fantasyland Updatin

    Quote Originally Posted by d.N.d. View Post
    This ride is about flying …
    No the ride is about taking a scenic tour of the state of California and highlighting some of the picturesque places that the state has to offer. The queue has all the nods to the aviation history of the state, but the ride itself is all about taking a tour of California.

    Quote Originally Posted by d.N.d. View Post
    It makes perfect sense that an airplane could start in Cali and tour the world and HIGHLIGHT how Cali inspired and was inspired by the world.
    The point that is being missed here is that is not what this ride is about. It is not about airplanes taking off for destinations unknown. It’s about exploring the rich landscapes that the state has to offer in a park that is inspired by the state of California.
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    Quote Originally Posted by calsig31 View Post
    The point that is being missed here is that is not what this ride is about. It is not about airplanes taking off for destinations unknown. It’s about exploring the rich landscapes that the state has to offer in a park that is inspired by the state of California.
    Exactly. Hence the name California Adventure, instead of American Adventure, World Adventure, or "We Couldn't Think Up Any More California Stuff So We're Throwing In Everything And The Kitchen Sink" Adventure.
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    Re: Al Report: The Reality of the Disneyland Explosion, D23 Expo, Fantasyland Updatin

    ABOUT D23 THIS SUMMER:

    How many people want to take a guess, their big surprise is Cars Land, and Star Wars land for DHS, in Florida?
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    Dear Peoplemover Fans, If you want to see a new attraction that at least mimics the 1967 Peoplemover in a future Tomorrowland remodel, you need to write to the powers-that-be, and let them know. If you don't - Then the next time Tomorrowland is remodeled, you will see a land barren of any "Peoplemover" type attraction.

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    Re: Al Report: The Reality of the Disneyland Explosion, D23 Expo, Fantasyland Updatin

    Quote Originally Posted by Tomorrowland_1967 View Post
    ABOUT D23 THIS SUMMER:

    How many people want to take a guess, their big surprise is Cars Land, and Star Wars land for DHS, in Florida?
    I'd imagine. Meanwhile, news for Disneyland: *chirping cricket*. I really hope I am wrong.

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    It's looking like you might be right. I read Robert Niles article as well and it seemed like he had multiple inside sources. There is pretty much zero buzz for anything for DLR to be announced at D23 or just any major projects in general out there. Meanwhile, there is solid buzz all over the Internet about an amazing amount of huge projects for WDW. Taken as a whole, would dwarf anything that just happened at DLR.
    Star Wars and Carsland for DHS, Avatarland for AK and the huge expansion and retheming to DTD.
    I wonder if Disney even contemplates that there could be massive disappointment at a D23 event where most of the attendees are DL fans and the whole conference is about all the new stuff going into WDW.
    Not that this should shape their decisions, but Im just wondering.

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    Re: Al Report: The Reality of the Disneyland Explosion, D23 Expo, Fantasyland Updatin

    A Star Wars land for DHS makes much more sense to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wiggins View Post
    Exactly. Hence the name California Adventure, instead of American Adventure, World Adventure, or "We Couldn't Think Up Any More California Stuff So We're Throwing In Everything And The Kitchen Sink" Adventure.
    Yup. And the aviation industry of Southern California has had such an impact. I would disagree that it's not something iconic in California - economies in certain cities revolve around aviation and aerospace, and have for quite some time and it's had a major influence on their development. We built the Space Shuttles here. And there are all sorts of bits and bobs that one wouldn't normally associate with aviation, such as Kinecta credit union (founded by Howard Hughes' employees...), and all the streets and areas named after aviators or aviation companies.

    One of the things I like about the whole Condor Flats/aviation theme is that it counteracts all the stereotypes of SoCal (or CA in general) as vapid, stupid, uneducated, superficial, etc. Um, no. We've got the rocket scientists here, for real. When guests go down that ramp and see all the California-based aviators and innovators (and no, not all of them are from CA, I know), it's a way to say "look what else we do here, besides movies." Showing off all of the diverse CA landscapes? Again, a way to show the rich diversity of the state.

    I'd be very disappointed if they ripped all that out in favor of a generic "around the world" trip. I do think Soarin' needs some TLC, in the form of cleaned up screens and film quality, but I think they can do that without destroying the whole thing.

    If they do go for an international focus I hope it will alternate with CA. As someone mentioned, they could perhaps do something like Star Tours, where there are different possibilities and you don't know where you're going until you get there.
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    Re: Al Report: The Reality of the Disneyland Explosion, D23 Expo, Fantasyland Updatin

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaAdventurer View Post
    They should at least keep one bay running the CALIFORNIA themed film, or it loses all association with the park.

    If they remodel Condor Flats, will it make any sense to have SOARIN in a larger National Park themed land?
    I've had a similar thought: Keep the "Original" Soarin' in one theatre (only have it in digital, and maybe a few updated scenes); and, have the "New" Soarin' in the other theatre (since there are 2 domes).
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    Re: Al Report: The Reality of the Disneyland Explosion, D23 Expo, Fantasyland Updatin

    Quote Originally Posted by frollofan View Post
    I'd imagine. Meanwhile, news for Disneyland: *chirping cricket*. I really hope I am wrong.
    Not really, there is the rumored Tron coaster which is gaining momentum and Monstropolis for DCA, plus the 60th Anniversary plans of Disneyland will likely be announced at D23.


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    Re: Al Report: The Reality of the Disneyland Explosion, D23 Expo, Fantasyland Updatin

    Quote Originally Posted by k_peek_2000 View Post
    Not really, there is the rumored Tron coaster which is gaining momentum and Monstropolis for DCA, plus the 60th Anniversary plans of Disneyland will likely be announced at D23.
    Yes, rumored, but not confirmed by Disney. I am not getting my hopes too high for an announcement for DLR just yet.

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