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    Re: Say goodbye to Autopia

    Quote Originally Posted by G24T View Post
    Didn't it used to be trackless back when it first opened?
    Yeah, and there were some issues on the first day, as described by Bob Gurr:

    It was possible to spin out the Autopia cars and reverse the direction of the ride. Several super head-on collisions took place while the ride operators were trying to hold back the crowd at the gate. One crash injured two little boys. One, holding his knocked out teeth carefully in his hands for me to see, came over to me. When I escorted them to the City Hall first aid, they began to cry. They thought they would not be able to come back and finish their Autopia ride.
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    I'm sure that was a rare event, but it would be hard to imagine that they would take the track out in today's overly litigious society.

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    Re: Say goodbye to Autopia

    Doubt that Autopia will be taken out, this is a rumor that has been floating here since, well... since I joined!
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    Re: Say goodbye to Autopia

    Quote Originally Posted by Malina View Post
    As for Autopia, part of me is really surprised that they haven't converted the cars to electric fuel or something else already. That would look good for Disney on all counts: it would promote "green living," it would save the CMs and guests from inhaling gasoline fumes, and it might be able to attract a good sponsor who wants to get a reputation as an eco-friendly company. Prius could use it as a way to convince people to buy hybrid cars or something.
    They have tried test cars with all electric but the batteries were too large and to hold a charge they would need to constantly be recharged middday so imagine about 100 plugs and all the juice it would take to keep them charged plus they lacked the power to even make it up the hills. Right now Honda is rolling in their own cars for Autopia so no Prius (Disney here loves Honda over Toyota which personally is a shame but I digress) but the engines are a bit better although for a while they couldn't stop as easily as the old chevron cars. sadly they didn't feel like forking over the money for all new cares just an improved engine inside an outdated look.

    As for the trackless comment, you REALLY want that? Imagine now people crashing into each other. Doesn't help that the majority of drivers are on their cell phones. Even with keeping the track it's given guests an excuse to not even bother holding onto the steering wheel at times much less focus on the actual point of the attraction.

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    They have tried test cars with all electric but the batteries were too large and to hold a charge they would need to constantly be recharged middday so imagine about 100 plugs and all the juice it would take to keep them charged plus they lacked the power to even make it up the hills. Right now Honda is rolling in their own cars for Autopia so no Prius (Disney here loves Honda over Toyota which personally is a shame but I digress) but the engines are a bit better although for a while they couldn't stop as easily as the old chevron cars. sadly they didn't feel like forking over the money for all new cares just an improved engine inside an outdated look.

    As for the trackless comment, you REALLY want that? Imagine now people crashing into each other. Doesn't help that the majority of drivers are on their cell phones. Even with keeping the track it's given guests an excuse to not even bother holding onto the steering wheel at times much less focus on the actual point of the attraction.

    ...As I see it
    Aha. That makes sense. It's a shame they can't think of something, though. How about human-powered cars - you have to cycle your way through? Although that could be a liability issue if someone, say, had a heart attack due to the exertion.

    I am with you on the trackless vehicles, too. Frankly, I can't drive and if the cars were trackless I'd likely end up in the bushes, since I end up banging the car against the track as it is. It would be a disaster to have it trackless.
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    Re: Say goodbye to Autopia

    Quote Originally Posted by Infernoman View Post
    They have tried test cars with all electric but the batteries were too large and to hold a charge they would need to constantly be recharged middday so imagine about 100 plugs and all the juice it would take to keep them charged plus they lacked the power to even make it up the hills. Right now Honda is rolling in their own cars for Autopia so no Prius (Disney here loves Honda over Toyota which personally is a shame but I digress) but the engines are a bit better although for a while they couldn't stop as easily as the old chevron cars. sadly they didn't feel like forking over the money for all new cares just an improved engine inside an outdated look.

    As for the trackless comment, you REALLY want that? Imagine now people crashing into each other. Doesn't help that the majority of drivers are on their cell phones. Even with keeping the track it's given guests an excuse to not even bother holding onto the steering wheel at times much less focus on the actual point of the attraction.

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    Seems like if they wanted to make them electric the easy way would be to utilize the third rail in the middle to keep them running. Like a subway system or model train. They could have a swivel on it so people could still steer them.

    I am amazed people think autopia is untouchable. It takes up a huge real estate and isn't the most efficient people eater as far as lines go. I would like to see it re-done to be more like a vision of tomorrow. I know it's been there since day one but unlike some of it's fellow day one attractions it doesn't fit it's land at all. Having said that I ride it each time i go there. I like the scenery of the attraction it's quite peaceful.

    Sacrificing the subs in their current state wouldn't bother me at all. I would love for them to redo the subs to be like 20k in TDS in that area. I havent been to TDS so I have no idea how big that attraction is. But if you take out autopia or redo them, redo the subs footprint, and redo innoventions even take that building out you could essentially have a huge piece of land for expansion. Also as I have mentioned before if you move the Space mountain queue you could gut that area out as well around the pizza port and magic eye theater and starcade.

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    Re: Say goodbye to Autopia

    Do batteries somehow work better in Hong Kong than Anaheim?

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    Re: Say goodbye to Autopia

    Quote Originally Posted by lazyboy97O View Post
    Do batteries somehow work better in Hong Kong than Anaheim?
    They do because the will to make them work is much stronger there. People in charge here either don't give a rats patootie, or just haven't figured a way to extort more guest money from it. Yet.







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    Re: Say goodbye to Autopia

    I think the monorail should be removed from DL altogether. It is way past a Tomorrowland theme, uses a lot of space and distorts any theme of an attraction that could possible be placed in between. I think it should be used as a transport system instead.

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    Re: Say goodbye to Autopia

    Inno can go, Autopia is one of the first DL attractions.

    There's actually placards on the office doors for the Autipia Cast Member office which say "STATE SANCTIONED PERMANENT AMUSEMENT ATTRACTION" (it's in the pit area under the queue)

    It's not going anywhere

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    Re: Say goodbye to Autopia

    Quote Originally Posted by Benny View Post
    I think the monorail should be removed from DL altogether. It is way past a Tomorrowland theme, uses a lot of space and distorts any theme of an attraction that could possible be placed in between. I think it should be used as a transport system instead.
    The Monorail is a means of transportation. The resort is small, where else is the Monorail going to go besides Downtown Disney?
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    Re: Say goodbye to Autopia

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus View Post
    Inno can go, Autopia is one of the first DL attractions.

    There's actually placards on the office doors for the Autipia Cast Member office which say "STATE SANCTIONED PERMANENT AMUSEMENT ATTRACTION" (it's in the pit area under the queue)

    It's not going anywhere

    I think "permanent" just means that it's not like a roadside carnival amusement ride that gets taken apart and put back together as it travels from place to place.

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    Re: Say goodbye to Autopia

    That's basically what the permanent attraction means. It basically means that it's not a transportable carnival type ride.
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    Re: Say goodbye to Autopia

    Quote Originally Posted by Infernoman View Post
    They have tried test cars with all electric but the batteries were too large and to hold a charge they would need to constantly be recharged middday so imagine about 100 plugs and all the juice it would take to keep them charged plus they lacked the power to even make it up the hills.
    Yeah, all electric cars don't make any sense it all in this application. Why would Disneyland even consider spending more money on this ride just to give the illusion that it would be more "eco friendly"? Since amusement park rides are not necessary for anything other than entertainment in the first place, they would never be "eco-friendly" under any strict definition of the term.

    If the idea is to only be more "eco-friendly", then turn the Autopia into a big bike path. But try selling that price of admission at $92 bucks. LOL!

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    Re: Say goodbye to Autopia

    Quote Originally Posted by lazyboy97O View Post
    Do batteries somehow work better in Hong Kong than Anaheim?
    Price of gasoline in U.S. dollars between Hong Kong and the USA (source: globalpetrolprices.com):


    USA $3.59
    Hong Kong $8.01

    Gasoline prices are 48% per gallon higher in Hong Kong than the world average.

    Gasoline prices are 37% per gallon cheaper in the USA than the world average.


    So basically to answer your question: Battery powered cars in Hong Kong are only cheaper to operate than gasoline powered cars, not necessarily more efficient in terms of performance. Which of course in the USA is just the opposite--- considering the still relatively cheap price of gasoline here.


    In both cases respectively (US and Hong Kong Autopias), economics is obviously the final arbiter.
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    Re: Say goodbye to Autopia

    Undoubtedly this means then that the only suitable cars to update the Autopia with are.. HOVER CARS!!

    Fair warning, this is only an early concept demonstration video (meaning that it is mostly cgi pretend stuff) but it is something that Volkswagen/China is actively designing, apparently.

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