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    Re: Why doesn't Disney Have a SuperResort in Vegas?

    Disney in general would succeed (as a casino) purely by trademark. They could fill the place with Disney, Marvel, or Lucas Film licensed slots and have themed bars & restaurants. However, the strip is already over saturated with rooms and out the gates they would have to offer rooms at a fraction of what they charge for their other premier resorts. Perhaps Macau would be a better option?
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    Re: Why doesn't Disney Have a SuperResort in Vegas?

    Quote Originally Posted by thedustycoyote View Post
    if the resort is the destination, why not put it in a more scenic location? maybe vancouver, or idaho, somewhere with beautiful vistas and far away from the current resorts.
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    I'm not sure how close Disney came to pushing the trigger on the project but there was some buzz in the nineties about them being interested in building an ambitious mega resort to go against Wynn Enterprises. The plan never got past the hype though, thankfully. Personally I'm glad that they waited and built Aulani instead. A Disney resort wouldn't survive in this new young Vegas.
    In the past, 20 years ago, it looked great. Now Vegas is saturated with hotels and timeshares. Vegas is also under a huge threat as gambling is legalized in many more place, and other gambling meccas are very competitive for Vegas's dollars. Gambling is really what gives Vegas a place on the map. Everything else it offers can be anywhere.

    Hotel rates are virtually unchanged in Vegas over long periods. Only the addition of more top end resorts has increased the rates. That isn't a great business model when you only own one resort.

    The other problem is Vegas is seasonal, granted a long season. It gets very hot, very cold, and very windy. Rain is not common but precipitation can be a problem when it does occur.

    Land is very expensive. Vegas hotels are now very spread out since the desired land on the strip got priced up like few places on earth. Many of the outer resorts failed or have slim margins.

    The best things Vegas has is iconic reputation, a huge city worthy airport, tons of conventions. Alternatives could be Miami, San Francisco or New York.

    When it comes down to it, another billion dollars spent on a floating hotel for DCL can be the better option.
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    Re: Why doesn't Disney Have a SuperResort in Vegas?

    As much as I'd love this I can't see Disney going for it. Disney backed out of a New York project in Times Sq when they rebuilt the New Amsterdam for a similar reason.

    Saying that the Lion King played Vegas at the Mandalay Bay and there was a Disney Store at the Caesars Palace mall so maybe they are testing the waters although they'd certainly be the under dog in the Cegas market behind Wynn, MGM and the rest

    If Disney ever did go to Vegas I'd think its more likely they'd use a non Disney brand like ESPN which would limit the impact on the Disney brand and allow them to generate gambling revenue but I think the most likely deal would be a big production show or some sort of WDI designed themed restaurants in partnership with one of the existing big players.

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    Re: Why doesn't Disney Have a SuperResort in Vegas?

    Quote Originally Posted by swampymarsh View Post
    In the past, 20 years ago, it looked great. Now Vegas is saturated with hotels and timeshares. Vegas is also under a huge threat as gambling is legalized in many more place, and other gambling meccas are very competitive for Vegas's dollars. Gambling is really what gives Vegas a place on the map. Everything else it offers can be anywhere.

    Hotel rates are virtually unchanged in Vegas over long periods. Only the addition of more top end resorts has increased the rates. That isn't a great business model when you only own one resort.

    The other problem is Vegas is seasonal, granted a long season. It gets very hot, very cold, and very windy. Rain is not common but precipitation can be a problem when it does occur.

    Land is very expensive. Vegas hotels are now very spread out since the desired land on the strip got priced up like few places on earth. Many of the outer resorts failed or have slim margins.

    The best things Vegas has is iconic reputation, a huge city worthy airport, tons of conventions. Alternatives could be Miami, San Francisco or New York.

    When it comes down to it, another billion dollars spent on a floating hotel for DCL can be the better option.
    Right! Vegas Casinos make there profits in the down months. They do this by bringing their 'whales' (mega gamblers) to Vegas during the down season (Sept-Dec) for a few days. These 'whales' are kept busy at their 'satellite' casinos all over the world (see Macau) for the rest of the year. The majority of satellites operate at a loss yearly, period. Most casinos operate in the red during the summer months, using low room rates and package deals (book three nights and get two free buffets, etc) just to get people in their rooms. Every year MGM-Mirage, Caesars Entertainment, et al can tank on a whole year just by a couple of good nights by their best gamblers during this time.

    Also, The 'Circus Circus' crowd, or people who travel with children are a thrifty bunch for the most part. This is reflected in the elimination of Family Themed resorts, parks and activities that are now ancient history (as pointed out by previous posters). Anything of the sort nowadays is built far from the strip, and marketed to locals.

    If there was such a demand for an Ultra Resort family crowd, it'd be here already.

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    there used to be several Disney Stores throughout Vegas, but now there is only one. It's currently closed for remodel, again.
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    Re: Why doesn't Disney Have a SuperResort in Vegas?

    Actually it is on the way, just need to look behind a different bush. My wife was on line free video gambling the other day and she was on a Little Mermaid slot machine that had 3 of the characters from the movie. I said that can't be real, better play it before Disney finds out and the video game is pulled. Now are you ready for this ???? There is a Willy Wonka machine in our local Indian casino, right along the path that children walk along toward the cafe, parking lot, and bathroom. It very popular the three seats are never empty. And it is a very pretty machine with candy all over the top and large video screens for everyone to watch , and they are watching from more than 12 feet

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    Re: Why doesn't Disney Have a SuperResort in Vegas?

    Quote Originally Posted by ParkHopper1 View Post
    Years ago all of the major resorts started catering to the "families" and the under 21 crowd building mini theme parks and attractions at their resorts. That investment did not pay off as far as attracting additional revenues into Las Vegas so they have pretty much scrapped catering to families and currently are geared back towards the "Disneyland for Adults" only mentality. This can be seen in the shows and restaurants that are currently in Vegas.

    In Veags...at least on the strip...if you are not gambling and they can't get ya on the gaming floor, you don't have much value to them.
    ^^^this exactly.

    Vegas has had success going back to what built it: gambling and drinking and other "adult endeavors." Disney has no place there what so ever in my opinion. I'm not sure why it would be even considered if they aren't going to have gambling except for the fact that there are so many inexpensive flights to that location. I guess the OP's idea is that Mom and Dad could slip away to the other hotels and do some gambling, see shows, etc. But, I still think it would be just an awful mix. Now I love myself a Vegas trip once a year or so, but I'm never thinking about things Disney while I'm there.

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    Re: Why doesn't Disney Have a SuperResort in Vegas?

    Disney would not want to invest that much capital in a place where they would have so much competition.

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    Re: Why doesn't Disney Have a SuperResort in Vegas?

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    Re: Why doesn't Disney Have a SuperResort in Vegas?

    Quote Originally Posted by robbiem View Post
    As much as I'd love this I can't see Disney going for it. Disney backed out of a New York project in Times Sq when they rebuilt the New Amsterdam for a similar reason.

    Saying that the Lion King played Vegas at the Mandalay Bay and there was a Disney Store at the Caesars Palace mall so maybe they are testing the waters although they'd certainly be the under dog in the Cegas market behind Wynn, MGM and the rest

    If Disney ever did go to Vegas I'd think its more likely they'd use a non Disney brand like ESPN which would limit the impact on the Disney brand and allow them to generate gambling revenue but I think the most likely deal would be a big production show or some sort of WDI designed themed restaurants in partnership with one of the existing big players.
    I agree with all of this. I could see them doing another production show or some sort of local attraction based on Marvel or ESPN but I can't see them putting the Fab Five anywhere in Vegas or opening a casino.
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    Re: Why doesn't Disney Have a SuperResort in Vegas?

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    Just the brand image blended with Vegas was a concern. The biggest factor probably was that they didn't want gambling
    This sums it all up. Disney wants nothing to do with gamboling. Just look at DCL, The disney ships are the only major cruise line that does not offer casinos on there ships. Casinos on ships are one of the biggest money makers for there company, All the other cruise lines offer a casino, Hal, Rci, Carnival, Princess, NCL. Disney just does not there brand linked to vegas and gambling.
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    Re: Why doesn't Disney Have a SuperResort in Vegas?

    Quote Originally Posted by tahoebob54 View Post
    This sums it all up. Disney wants nothing to do with gamboling. Just look at DCL, The disney ships are the only major cruise line that does not offer casinos on there ships. Casinos on ships are one of the biggest money makers for there company, All the other cruise lines offer a casino, Hal, Rci, Carnival, Princess, NCL. Disney just does not there brand linked to vegas and gambling.
    Well, I think the OP wasn't talking about gambling as much as a resort location in Vegas. Even if Disney were in Vegas they would not have a casino, but what is the point of investing in Vegas if you aren't going to capitalize on gambling as you mentioned?

    I still think if Disney were looking to spend the kind of money to make a resort like that they would try to do it where they were the only game in town. There is plenty of cheap desert land closer to Los Angeles than Vegas to build a resort... how about Mojave?

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    Re: Why doesn't Disney Have a SuperResort in Vegas?

    Honestly...if Disney built a theme park in the late 80s or early 90s and it was DISNEY quality I'm sure they could have made some money on it..and it would still be around today

    If it was something where every floor was themed to a different movie/cartoon
    They had a stage for Disney Musical's and other events
    Had a cool themed pool and maybe a water park (this would have a ticket fee to enter)
    Restaurants themed after they're biggest movies
    And lastly some sore of attraction like a museum with a theater to screen movies (new and old Disney films(

    I grantee it would draw people..but like others have said..its the city of Sin...not something Disney wants to be associated with

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    Re: Why doesn't Disney Have a SuperResort in Vegas?

    There was talk of a huge Disney presence. It was slated for a south strip location (imagine near SouthPoint)
    rumor was, theme park/hotel. Of course, without gambling, it's lunacy, so there was a plan for gambling.
    When wet n wild folded, so did the Disney Dream project. It was just a sign of the times, no one wanted to go to Vegas and not gamble.

    now, for those who are talking about Vegas fading (casinos everywhere but Vegas) forget a few things. Vegas carries more grande shows, excessive debauchery, better food, better entertainment and is the nightlife capital of the world...and more gambling options than anywhere.

    sure, there are those who are slot slingers who can slouch in their local Indian casino all day and feel their need for a one armed robbery fulfilled, mere miles from home. But it never replaces "Vegas".

    As many have been heard to say "there's no place like Vegas, baby!"

    so, a Disney resort in Vegas? Not likely, but it sure would be neat.
    and no, don't expect a Mrvel, ESPN, Star Wars resort either.

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    Re: Why doesn't Disney Have a SuperResort in Vegas?

    I think it would've been far more interesting had Disney invested in a casino for Downtown Disney (back when they had Pleasure Island at least). A casino on Disney Cruises would have been cool too though I hear that casinos on any cruise ship are terrible and that the odds are worst compare to your basic land casino.

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    Re: Why doesn't Disney Have a SuperResort in Vegas?

    There are Wizard of Oz slot machines, Star wars machines and marvel slot machines

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