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    Controversy Over New Route for DLR's Coming Streetcar

    Recently Anaheim announced a change to the route of the planned resort area streetcar system. The new route is a relatively small, but expensive, change that will move the route slightly further north such that the park stop will now be located directly across Harbor from the esplanade instead of on Disneyland Drive. A pedestrian bridge and the demolition of the Ihop and one of the adjacent hotels has also been added to the scope of the project.

    While this is probably a good thing from the perspective of us DL fans, understandably, a lot of Anaheim residents are upset. Apparently Disney has had some influence over the design changes, but is not putting up any money at all to help pay for the $30 million dollar increase in costs. You can read more about it here...Street Cars : Curbed LA

    So what do you think of this change in plans and the controversy it's causing in Anaheim politics?
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    Re: Controvery Over New Route for DLR's Coming Streetcar

    I live off of Harbor and Ball and I haven't heard about this at all, haha.

    The more you know!

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    Re: Controvery Over New Route for DLR's Coming Streetcar

    True, Disney isn't helping contribute, but on the other hand, how much money (ie tax dollars) are being spent, and how many jobs are being generated as a direct result of Disney? It certainly is a two-edged sword.

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    Re: Controvery Over New Route for DLR's Coming Streetcar

    Quotes from the article:

    Local activist and blogger Cynthia Ward says she's uncovered much meddling involvement from Disney in the streetcar development process; most notably, the streetcar will now stop right in front of Disney's main gate--instead of further away--which means the project will have to buy and demolish a restaurant and hotel to make way for an elevated walkway near Harbor Boulevard and Alro Way.
    So, why does Anaheim's proposed 3.2-mile streetcar--which will connect a Metrolink/Amtrak station with Disneyland and the convention center--cost $319 million? The answer to that question, according to the OC Register, is that Disney is behind much of it.
    Could Disney afford the extra $30 million they're shoving onto the taxpayers? Easily.

    Is it fair that they pay for the extras they're demanding on a streetcar system from which they'll profit? Certainly.

    But they won't.

    This is Disney we're talking about, folks. Disney doesn't do "fair," Disney does what gets the most money for Disney.

    That they're sticking it to the citizens shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. When it comes to influencing the Anaheim city government, Disney is the 900-lb. gorilla in Mouse ears.

    As they say in Anaheim, "When the Mouse talks, everything else walks."
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    Re: Controvery Over New Route for DLR's Coming Streetcar

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wiggins View Post

    Could Disney afford the extra $30 million they're shoving onto the taxpayers?
    Who do you think the biggest taxpayer in Anaheim is?

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    Re: Controvery Over New Route for DLR's Coming Streetcar

    Anaheim greatly benefits from the tax revenue generated by (directly and indirectly) Disney and while I think it would be appropriate for Disney to chip in since they are demanding the changes which result in the increased cost.

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    Re: Controvery Over New Route for DLR's Coming Streetcar

    Quote Originally Posted by Rammikin View Post
    Who do you think the biggest taxpayer in Anaheim is?
    Answer: the combined citizens and businesses of Anaheim.

    The fact that Disney pays more taxes than any single entity is irrelevant to the facts that they will profit most from the streetcar and that they are demanding it be changed to fit to their specifications. Therefore they should pay for those changes.
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    Re: Controvery Over New Route for DLR's Coming Streetcar

    One point to add on each side... Disney is getting an added benefit by being able to use this new bridge to bring people from the Pumbaa lot and its eventual parking structure. On the other hand, Disney is providing land for the project, both in terms of the route but also some land for parking trains.
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    Re: Controvery Over New Route for DLR's Coming Streetcar

    Also can a Mod fix the typo in the title please? Thanks.
    The Mickey audience is not made up of people; it has no racial, national, political, religious or social differences or affiliations; the Mickey audience is made up of parts of people, of that deathless, precious, ageless, absolutely primitive remnant of something in every world-wracked human being which makes us play with children’s toys and laugh without self-consciousness at silly things, and sing in bathtubs, and dream and believe that our babies are uniquely beautiful. You know…the Mickey in us.
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    Re: Controvery Over New Route for DLR's Coming Streetcar

    Disney needs to up some cash. It's not like they can't afford it. They need to pay for the changes they made.
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    Re: Controvery Over New Route for DLR's Coming Streetcar

    Quote Originally Posted by Rammikin View Post
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    Haha! Perhaps she'll make a comeback!

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    Re: Controvery Over New Route for DLR's Coming Streetcar

    Just sounds like politics to me; I'm sure the city is happy for the extra tax money that the expansions have created. Besides, many other businesses benefit from this as well. Maybe any extra expenses should be shared by those businesses too?

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    Re: Controvery Over New Route for DLR's Coming Streetcar

    They're going to demolish the IHOP on Harbor?? NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
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    Re: Controvery Over New Route for DLR's Coming Streetcar

    Quote Originally Posted by G24T View Post
    They're going to demolish the IHOP on Harbor?? NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
    haha, that is what caught my eye too!!
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    Re: Controvery Over New Route for DLR's Coming Streetcar

    It says the city has to acquire the IHOP and hotel property before they can use this site. I'm surprised they're so cavalier about this, since it seems like a pretty big hurdle. The properties along Harbor have been the equivalent of nail houses for decades; Disney hasn't been able to buy out their entire block for this reason.

    I still think the streetcar is the most complex and expensive of the options they had, and I'm not quite sure the project is going to pan out the way their numbers suggest.

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