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    Re: New Disneyland Main Street Starbucks Concept Art

    I can only hope Disney stops allowing cell phones in the parks because they ruin the themes of the lands.....Disney can not win no matter how hard they try

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    Re: New Disneyland Main Street Starbucks Concept Art

    Quote Originally Posted by jasmineray View Post
    At least the outside isn't very intrusive, though the inside may leave much to be desired. It's a tannish paint on green . . . didn't even notice it was there the first time I saw it, fans should be worried that Disney will make the Starbucks sign more prominent, which they haven't done.

    The old Swift Market House sign was worse,

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    An improvement over the old Swift sign which was everywhere on the old Market House, and right above the door. Yeah, maybe Swift was around in the 1900's, but they're a massive meat processing company, why would they have a sign on a dinky little market house?

    As is, it looks like the new Market House is advertising for Starbucks, not that Starbucks owns the place.

    I don't think that the old Market House sold any of Swift's "premium meats", so the sponsorship didn't make sense, it was just selling ad space to put on Swift's name, at least the Starbucks stuff is functional, in that it makes sense after you enter the store, and notifies guests of products sold inside.

    Sponsors have always been in the park, and have the helped the park, and company by extension, to survive. It's kinda a badge of honor for a company to have a sponsorship deal in the park. This is one of the least intrusive sponsorship signs I've seen, from the outside, not nearly as bad as the Wonder Bread, Dixie, sponsorship of the Hungry Bear with the little sign that really sticks out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBirdsSingWords View Post
    WOW. I was worried that it would be jarring to see a Starbucks sign on Main Street, but that's some of the best-themed, most subtle sponsor/vendor signage in DL! Well done.
    Agree, on the outside there seems to be some effort to blend in the Starbucks, so that the building is the Market House first, and a Starbucks second.

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    I think the front of the Market House still looks nice. The "Starbucks" signs are subtle, especially compared to some of the other sponsor's signs throughout the years.

    Even the name "Starbucks" seems historically plausible. The novel "Moby Dick" was first published in 1851, so a company or product named after one of its characters could have existed in the era depicted on Main Street.

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    Re: New Disneyland Main Street Starbucks Concept Art

    Quote Originally Posted by bfdf55 View Post
    To go to all that expense to ruin a charming element of the park just to get a better cup of coffee is overkill. Disneyland needs COFFEE that people like, NOT a coffee company. Why not just replace the crappy coffee with GOOD coffee. Starbucks is NOT the only good coffee in the world!



    Your point above lends itself to just replacing the coffee over installing Starbucks. This decision WAS motivated by greed.
    I don't think there is any better way than going Starbucks. What else can be made to the volume needed that is as good and popular as Starbucks? SB can be made quick enough to fulfill theme park demand while still being very good coffee and be the general favorite among the public. I just don't see any other option being as good, quick, and popular at the same time. SB literally has it all.
    In the quest for quality, I have no problem with the characters footing the bill.

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    Re: New Disneyland Main Street Starbucks Concept Art

    Quote Originally Posted by Mortgageman View Post
    By that logic they better get the Coca Cola, Carnation and all other brand name signage down too.
    Problem is, the brands you mention are period-appropriate--they existed at the turn of the century.

    Starbucks did not.

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    Re: New Disneyland Main Street Starbucks Concept Art

    ^^ Exactly, This is where people lose that arugment. Coke, Kodak, Benkins, Hallmark, Maxwell House, Carnation, etec etc. All existed during Walt's time.

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    Re: New Disneyland Main Street Starbucks Concept Art

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve DeGaetano View Post
    Problem is, the brands you mention are period-appropriate--they existed at the turn of the century.

    Starbucks did not.
    A Reminiscence: Welch's Grape Juice In Fantasyland
    In Fantasyland, there was once a Welch's drink stand. So then how did an American brand founded in 1869 fit in an European medieval fair? Even in the early years of park there was evidence of brands going in places that were not period appropriate.

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    Re: New Disneyland Main Street Starbucks Concept Art

    Quote Originally Posted by JCSkipr79 View Post
    ^^ Exactly, This is where people lose that arugment. Coke, Kodak, Benkins, Hallmark, Maxwell House, Carnation, etec etc. All existed during Walt's time.
    "Walt's time" was closer to the turn of century to the 1900's than 2013 is to Disneyland's opening. When Disneyland opened in 1955, it was "just" 55 year since the turn of the century . . . we're getting close to 60 years beyond that.

    During Walt's time, a lot of companies were, by coincidence, operating 50 years back. Kodak ain't around anymore, and Disneyland still desires to have corporate sponsors.

    Coffee was around over a hundred years ago, so it's not like Starbucks is selling a product which doesn't make sense.

    There are plenty of anachronisms on Main Street:

    Modern asphalt roadways/cement.
    Modern paper cups, napkins.
    Modern plastic light covers on the bridge under the railroad track.
    "Antique" looking cars which are heavily modified and not really antiques.
    Modern irrigation boxes.
    Attraction posters for lands that wouldn't exist a hundred years ago.
    Animatronic Abraham Lincoln.


    Main Street USA ain't Colonial Williamsburg, they aren't aiming to make things historically accurate, and to eliminate modern day conveniences and products.

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    Re: New Disneyland Main Street Starbucks Concept Art

    Quote Originally Posted by frollofan View Post
    A Reminiscence: Welch's Grape Juice In Fantasyland
    In Fantasyland, there was once a Welch's drink stand. So then how did an American brand founded in 1869 fit in an European medieval fair? Even in the early years of park there was evidence of brands going in places that were not period appropriate.
    Sunsweet, founded in 1917 sponsored products in the Market House during Walt's time, and hence wouldn't exist in a turn-of-the century Main Street USA. There goes the theory that every sponsor on Main Street has to have existed during the turn of the century.

    Oh, and Burry's Cookies, founded in 1936, also sponsored the Market House decades ago.
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    Re: New Disneyland Main Street Starbucks Concept Art

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wiggins View Post
    The only thing Staggs' sharp pencil boys need do now is finish slapping on the faux 1910 decor, pipe in "Put On Your Sunday Clothes" at too-loud volume, and listen to the ker-ching of the cash registers as crowds of branded-lifestyle consumers pack the place.
    Oops... I forgot, this is today's Disneyland. They'd pipe in "Put On Your Sunday Clothes" with lyrics more, um... appropriate for the situation.

    C'mon n' bring your credit cards, there's lots to buy
    Whip out your cash, there's franchise brands galore
    Plunk down your pennies, dimes n' dollars, girls n' guys
    The brands are grand here at Disneyland
    And you'll find them in ev'ry store!

    We've got the same ol' merch that's sold most anywhere
    But here the markups really are obscene
    Baby to Boomer, you're our target consumer
    Welcome to our magical mall!
    Slap a brand name on it and you'll buy it all!



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    Re: New Disneyland Main Street Starbucks Concept Art

    Starbucks is also experimenting with "made to order" sodas, based on a couple of base flavors such as lemon ale, spicy rootbeer . . . if they ever do a Main Street alley, may they could have a soda jerk window where you could pick-up a made to order soda.

    For non-coffee drinkers, Starbucks will probably offer much higher quality hot chocolate.

    Of course, the Starbucks will be a major success and will be crammed full of guests. Coffee was around at the turn of the century, but some fads like cigar have faded some, while coffee based beverages have proliferated and probably in total become more popular.

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    Re: New Disneyland Main Street Starbucks Concept Art

    Ok, some measure of relief- the outside isn't hideous. I had really worried about the obtrusiveness of the requisite SB sign but it's about as subtle as a girl could hope for.

    Inside- whoever called it a "customer barn" had it right. Meh.

    I don't agree that SB is the best coffee around. Its main charm is that it's available whenever and wherever I want coffee. If there are other coffee shops around, I generally prefer those. They can do volume, and I guess that's the best we can do these days.
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    Re: New Disneyland Main Street Starbucks Concept Art

    Quote Originally Posted by Mortgageman View Post
    Your point is well taken and I essentially agree. So then how does then offering a contemporary brand of coffee beverage products (that incidentally people will actually want to buy and consume) detract from the turn of the century Main St, theme?
    The coffee BRAND is apparently not the issue if people are just complaining that Disneyland's coffee sucks. They can use Starbucks coffee for all I care, just as long as they don't ruin the themed environment to do so.

    Will the Market House be the only location selling Starbucks coffee? If so, does that mean all the rest of the coffee found in the park will be bad coffee? Will everyone ONLY go to the Market House to get their coffee then? If they will be using Starbucks coffee in all the other locations, will they then remake all those locations into Starbucks?

    There are reportedly a LOT of other coffees that are as good, if not better, than Starbucks. Those who are so locked into Starbucks BRAND should get their fix when not in the park. Disneyland is not intended to provide a brand fix for anything other than DISNEY.

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    Re: New Disneyland Main Street Starbucks Concept Art

    Quote Originally Posted by frollofan View Post
    In Fantasyland, there was once a Welch's drink stand. So then how did an American brand founded in 1869 fit in an European medieval fair?
    The Welch's grape juice location was themed to the Pastoral sequence from Fantasia, with mural artwork adapted from the film to feature grape juice instead of wine. As well, Welch's products were widely regarded as healthy refreshments for kids in the 1950s.

    It's not just the sponsoring company's year of founding that should be considered in theme placement, but the "cultural story" of the sponsor. Coca Cola on Main Street has been there from Disneyland's opening, as it was on Main Streets across America in the 1890-1910 period that Disneyland's Main Street evokes (note, evokes, not "recreates verbatim"). In contrast, Starbucks evokes modern mall/modern commuter/modern consumer culture, no matter how much 1910 gingerbread is slapped on it.


    Quote Originally Posted by frollofan View Post
    Even in the early years of park there was evidence of brands going in places that were not period appropriate.
    The early years of the park also had the bare-bones "Canal Boats of the World," the disastrous "Phantom Boats" in Tomorrowland, and the short-lived Mickey Mouse Club Circus -- none of which are justifications for Disney to repeat the same mistakes today.
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