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    Re: Court of Angels IS going to Yesterland

    Quote Originally Posted by txdisney View Post
    The jekyll and hyde club in new york city was awesome. It was set in a mansion. Animatronic skeletons would have conversations with you while you ate, one of the bathrooms was behind a hidden book case etc.

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    Thanks for the link, interesting. From time to time they've had dining events inside the Haunted Mansion queue, always thought that such a concept could be interesting, though toned-down in a Disney sort of way. The new wing will have a little bit of a view of the HM, but it's still clearly part of New Orleans Square urban area, not the mansion on the outskirts of town.

    If they ever expand NOS west underneath the train tracks (something similar was thought up by WDI in the early 1980's as part of 'World Holidayland'), they could even have a restaurant with a view of the train arriving at the station. What a backdrop!

    It is sad that CoA won't be public access anymore, the requisite need for Club 33 is to have a gated area, with a CM behind a locking door so that said CM doesn't have to answer potentially dozens of awkward questions about Club 33, plus with this Jazz Club, they're going to need a lot more waiting space.

    If they went west under the train tracks (NOS expansion), they could put a Club 33 entrance on the other side of the train. They might do this anyway as there is only 50 comp entrances to the park when eating at Club 33 for the member to distribute, and I kinda got the feeling that instead of escorting guests through the park, they'd want a more direct entrance to Club 33, could happen with a westward NOS expansion, they'd probably put in an entrance to the Grand Californian in NOS, I'm thinking a themed tunnel from the GCH to a NOS expansion, as well as a flood gate for post fireworks/Fantasmic.

    I get the whole 'devastated' feelings, folks who visit DL multiple times have their favorite little nooks. I was always quite fond of the patio area in what is now the Dream Suite, a bit more special to me as it had a more direct connection to Walt.
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    Re: Court of Angels IS going to Yesterland

    Quote Originally Posted by Chesire View Post
    I don't go to Disneyland to visit a 5 x 5 courtyard in New Orleans; while I think it's a shame small areas of Disney are going, Court of Angels serves no purpose other than adding to an already rich and decadent theme. I think the stained glass will be nice.
    You couldn't be more wrong. Its a shame the younger generation is so eager to toss what beauty was built by the previous generation aside. The world isn't always about plussing what is there, tearing down anything with character and replacing with cookie cutter facsimiles.

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    Re: Court of Angels IS going to Yesterland

    Honestly, I visited the CoA this weekend. First time in the many visits... Ever.
    I am indifferent to it's renovation. Yes, it's quiet, yes it's nice... But it's being there or not, is not a matter to me.
    and, I even felt it could be served better somehow, rather than as it is now.

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    Re: Court of Angels IS going to Yesterland

    Quote Originally Posted by Darkwingdolt View Post
    Honestly, I visited the CoA this weekend. First time in the many visits... Ever.
    I am indifferent to it's renovation. Yes, it's quiet, yes it's nice... But it's being there or not, is not a matter to me.
    and, I even felt it could be served better somehow, rather than as it is now.
    And that is certainly a welcome viewpoint to have as well - people will differ of course on individual elements, and respectfully stating such here should always be welcome!
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    Re: Court of Angels IS going to Yesterland

    Quote Originally Posted by chesirecat View Post
    ...It is sad that CoA won't be public access anymore, the requisite need for Club 33 is to have a gated area, with a CM behind a locking door so that said CM doesn't have to answer potentially dozens of awkward questions about Club 33, plus with this Jazz Club, they're going to need a lot more waiting space.
    The Jazz Club will be a "drop in" lounge for members and should not require a waiting area -- waiting to use the lounge would rather defeat the purpose. The Jazz Club will also be used by members when waiting to dine at the Club 33 restaurant, which should actually reduce the need for the COA waiting area.

    The majority of guests dining at Club 33 are guests of a member without the member present, and it is those guests that will be waiting in the COA. The waiting area might allow the restaurant to book reservations closer together and operate more efficiently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DisneyIPresume View Post
    I don't think the COA is 100% about nostalgia. Brand new guests who stumble upon it fall in love with it and some of these guests probably don't even know it existed.
    That's true; I've been pretty vocal in this thread and I just discovered CoA within the past couple of years. Nothing particularly important has ever happened to me there -- no proposal, no yearly family pictures -- but I am incredibly disappointed that it will be gone, not only because its absence will contribute to the decline of NOS, but because of what it says about Disneyland management and their utter disregard for what really makes Disneyland special. And for what makes Club 33 special, for that matter.

    I will truly miss it.

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    Re: Court of Angels IS going to Yesterland

    Quote Originally Posted by whoever View Post
    You couldn't be more wrong. Its a shame the younger generation is so eager to toss what beauty was built by the previous generation aside. The world isn't always about plussing what is there, tearing down anything with character and replacing with cookie cutter facsimiles.
    Please, don't lump anyone within a specific age group together, there are fans of all ages that are saddened by the loss of this quaint little corner to exclusivity.
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    Re: Court of Angels IS going to Yesterland

    I made a post on my MC blog about this topic. If anyone is interested, please go here to read it...

    http://micechat.com/blogs/attic-haun...le-things.html

    If you find it TL/DR, here are the money quotes:

    I’ve seen some people post that the area is virtually unknown and few mainstream Disneyland patrons even know it exists, so it won’t make any real difference to close it off. How many people have to love the area for it to be not OK to close it off? I present the following. Let’s say only 5% of those who visit the park each year know and visit the Court. With attendance at almost 16 million in 2012, that means about 800,000 are being denied the space. If only 1% of all parkgoers used to visit, that makes 160,000 souls who will be denied. And that doesn’t even count the multitudes who would have discovered the Court in 2014… if it were still there.

    I’ve seen other people post how we need to rally and petition to save the Court. This is very, very noble, but unfortunately that ship has sailed. The best we can do now is change our tack and regroup around a new plan. The Court of Angels as we know it will be forever destined to live only in Yesterland as of the day the construction wall goes up. What remains after the dust clears and the stained glass door is installed will be different but should retain a few bits of that gentle charm. We now need to push for early morning and late night access to the new Court. In those hours before the Club opens for lunch and the last dinner patrons roll out, the Court needs to be open for viewing by the general public. The cost of stationing one Cast Member at the foot of whatever stair remains to keep the public from venturing up to the balconies should be minimal. The value of the goodwill the act would engender is priceless.

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    Re: Court of Angels IS going to Yesterland

    Quote Originally Posted by Attic Haunt View Post
    I’ve seen other people post how we need to rally and petition to save the Court. This is very, very noble, but unfortunately that ship has sailed. The best we can do now is change our tack and regroup around a new plan. The Court of Angels as we know it will be forever destined to live only in Yesterland as of the day the construction wall goes up. What remains after the dust clears and the stained glass door is installed will be different but should retain a few bits of that gentle charm. We now need to push for early morning and late night access to the new Court. In those hours before the Club opens for lunch and after the last dinner patrons roll out, the Court needs to be open for viewing by the general public. The cost of stationing one Cast Member at the foot of whatever stair remains to keep the public from venturing up to the balconies should be minimal. The value of the goodwill the act would engender is priceless.
    I made a similar suggestion in this thread a few days ago, but you describe the situation much more clearly.

    A CM might not even be needed in the COA when the restaurant is closed, a CM has never been there in the past.

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    Re: Court of Angels IS going to Yesterland

    Quote Originally Posted by Nonsuch View Post
    The Jazz Club will be a "drop in" lounge for members and should not require a waiting area -- waiting to use the lounge would rather defeat the purpose. The Jazz Club will also be used by members when waiting to dine at the Club 33 restaurant, which should actually reduce the need for the COA waiting area.

    The majority of guests dining at Club 33 are guests of a member without the member present, and it is those guests that will be waiting in the COA. The waiting area might allow the restaurant to book reservations closer together and operate more efficiently.
    The lounge, like any other area of Club 33 or Disneyland, will have a maximum occupancy, both for fire codes and just plain comfort. As the lounge won't require reservations, you could easily have dozens and dozens of people crammed up there, the CMs will keep track of how full the lounge is, if there isn't a table ready, then Club 33 members will have to wait, hence the need for more waiting room.

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    Sorry if someone already brought it up and I missed it, but I don't understand why they are tampering with NOS so much. This is an area of the park that was just fine. Shouldn't they be focusing all of their "fix it" energy towards Tomorrowland. The more I think about this the more I'm irritated. Griping won't change anything, but, I just gotta vent.
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    Re: Court of Angels IS going to Yesterland

    Quote Originally Posted by StarDustFairy View Post
    Sorry if someone already brought it up and I missed it, but I don't understand why they are tampering with NOS so much. This is an area of the park that was just fine. Shouldn't they be focusing all of their "fix it" energy towards Tomorrowland. The more I think about this the more I'm irritated. Griping won't change anything, but, I just gotta vent.
    If Disney charged up to $25,000 per person to get into Tomorrowland, believe me that would be the first item on their to-do list.

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    Re: Court of Angels IS going to Yesterland

    A number of additional posts have been removed from this thread.

    Just a few posts after my mod note, a member minimized the feelings of some posters who are unhappy with the changes coming to the Court of Angels.

    I specifically gave examples of posts that treated the opposite opinion in that way and indicated that they were not appropriate.

    A few posts later, another member who felt affected by that post, explained in detail their reaction, and criticized some aspects of the original poster's words.

    Policing other members, calling them out in public and telling every reader who passes by that they were (to quote my note) "wrong, wrong, wrong", isn't allowed. Nor is applauding a post that contains such statements. So, if you +"1'd", "Bingo'd", "Here here'd!!", "This'd", "Good Post'd", "Bam'd", or "I agree'd" this reaction post, I apologize, but your posts were removed, too.

    What to do when you find a post that disregards our rules or the direction of staff? Use your rep, if you think it appropriate. Then, use the "report post" thread at the bottom left of every post. Let the mods handle it. It never, ever is your job to take an enforcement role in our public forums.

    We understand that this is a subject that nearly everybody on this site has a heart-felt opinion on and passions have been running high since our community got word of it. You can express what you feel in your heart and in your mind, without abusing your fellow members, and without disrespecting this site.

    Thanks for your understanding and your serious consideration of what ignoring our requests could do to the survival of this important thread, going forward.
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    Re: Court of Angels IS going to Yesterland

    Quote Originally Posted by StarDustFairy View Post
    Sorry if someone already brought it up and I missed it, but I don't understand why they are tampering with NOS so much. This is an area of the park that was just fine. Shouldn't they be focusing all of their "fix it" energy towards Tomorrowland. The more I think about this the more I'm irritated. Griping won't change anything, but, I just gotta vent.
    There are different managers for different areas of the park, and if I'm not mistaken, the east and west side of DL were managed by different people, plus you've got ODV, sitdown/counterservice, and Club 33 has its own manager. You can bet that there was a proposal with cost, and how much money it would make Club 33, and it worked its way up the chain of command. Club 33 is kinda a self-contained business, and if they conclude that an investment in Club 33 makes sense, in terms of longterm profits, then they'll do it, irregardless of what else is happening in the park. Disney spends about $1 billion a year just on maintenance and minor upgrades throughout all of its parks worldwide.

    It's actually a different question from adding attractions in Tomorrowland, and given the size of the Disney company (and that the money for films, parks, new cruise ships all comes from the same pot), investments in the in-park restaurants shouldn't really effect attractions, or vice versa. Guests have to eat food, and food services will always be tweaked, getting guests into the park and providing entertainment is a different proposition.

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    Re: Court of Angels IS going to Yesterland

    I recently received a response from Disney regarding my opinion over the closure of the CoA. Amidst the corporate/PR lingo was the statement "At this time, we do not have plans to make an announcement regarding changes to New Orleans Square".

    I was under the impression that there had already been an announcement made to C33 members and a preview center already in place with renditions of the designer concepts of the new C33 & the changes to the area.

    Maybe I'm mis-remembering comments & info from this thread (I admit, too lazy to read back over 18 pages) or maybe TDA thinks that C33 members don't talk to non-C33 members (LOL).
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