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    Re: Court of Angels IS going to Yesterland

    Quote Originally Posted by lazyboy97O View Post
    this change will not only remove part of the park, it is also part of a bigger process that will kill Club 33 as something alluring and special. The expansion of the Club has nothing to do with any actual needs beyond Disney knowing that there are enough gullible, moneyed fanboys who will pay even more to eat at a place that shares the name of and occupies the former space of Club 33.
    What they fail to understand is that Club 33's selling point is its nostalgia, history, and prestige. Take the first two variables away and you are left with a 1901 look a like. I almost feel they are making the court of angels exclusive to make up for the fact they are demolishing most of the iconic club in its current form. Disney is taking a huge gamble, they could perhaps ruin the entire experience and lose their golden egg entirely. I hope it all backfires and will teach them a lesson for taking a sledge hammer to our most cherished memories and the irreplaceable history of this park.
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    Re: Court of Angels IS going to Yesterland

    My mom's dad built parts of Tom Sawyer's island. He was a Mark Twain Captain. His wife, my grandmother, was the personal nurse for the Mouseketeers. On You Tube, I've uploaded footage of my dad's parents taking him to Disneyland its opening month.

    I grew up in SoCal and visited Disneyland at least once a year until my early 20s. I'm 34 now. For the last 4 years I've been a pass holder, visiting over 100 times.

    I say all this because the first time I ever remember walking into the CoA was on my last visit on Labor Day. I did so because of this controversy.

    I also must be a heartless idiot with no sense of taste or history...because I have no reaction to this news at all.

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    Re: Court of Angels IS going to Yesterland

    I don't like the plan of closing off the court of angels, but let's get real here. That area of the park couldn't pull a crowd even when it had a gift shop right in the center of it, thus it acts as a waste of valuable "guaranteed-profitable" space. It's as simple as that. SoCal theme parks are evolving into mini Florida parks. What DCA has become and what USH is slowly becoming are prime examples of that, Disneyland is just next on that list.


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    Re: Court of Angels IS going to Yesterland

    Quote Originally Posted by k_peek_2000 View Post
    I don't like the plan of closing off the court of angels, but let's get real here. That area of the park couldn't pull a crowd even when it had a gift shop right in the center of it, thus it acts as a waste of valuable "guaranteed-profitable" space. It's as simple as that. SoCal theme parks are evolving into mini Florida parks. What DCA has become and what USH is slowly becoming are prime examples of that, Disneyland is just next on that list.
    That was the whole point of the Court of Angels. This was a quiet, hidden area of the park which made guests feel like they've found something special, an area to get away from the crowds for a brief moment and take in the true immersion that Disneyland's creators had intended. Whether Disneyland management knows it or not, little areas like these are the heart and soul of the park and it is a huge mistake to close it off.

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    Re: Court of Angels IS going to Yesterland

    Quote Originally Posted by Seawolf View Post
    That was the whole point of the Court of Angels. This was a quiet, hidden area of the park which made guests feel like they've found something special, an area to get away from the crowds for a brief moment and take in the true immersion that Disneyland's creators had intended. Whether Disneyland management knows it or not, little areas like these are the heart and soul of the park and it is a huge mistake to close it off.
    The designers had intended the court to be a part of Club 33, but plans fell through as they so often do.


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    Re: Court of Angels IS going to Yesterland

    Quote Originally Posted by k_peek_2000 View Post
    The designers had intended the court to be a part of Club 33, but plans fell through as they so often do.
    What matters is how they ultimately chose to design and construct the final product, which has been there since the beginning of NOS. Saying that there was a "potential" concept back then to make this area part of Club 33 doesn't justify what they are doing to it in 2013. This area has already developed a strong history and has contributed greatly to the aesthetics and thematic cohesion of the park which millions of people have enjoyed and cherished.

    If it was such a strong concept to put Club 33's entrance in the Court, they wouldn't have decided to abandon the plan or install the current entrance where it stands today.
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    Re: Court of Angels IS going to Yesterland

    Quote Originally Posted by k_peek_2000 View Post
    The designers had intended the court to be a part of Club 33, but plans fell through as they so often do.
    Some proof of this would be nice.

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    Re: Court of Angels IS going to Yesterland

    Quote Originally Posted by loungefly97 View Post
    I also must be a heartless idiot with no sense of taste or history...because I have no reaction to this news at all.
    Not at all. But you do sound like somone who has not gotten out of Disneyland all that you could have.

    Which is really your loss.
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    Re: Court of Angels IS going to Yesterland

    Anyone who has been to the club knows the entrance is too small. It worked when the club membership was much smaller (ie the 80s and 90s), but today, more often than not, if there is a wait for your table, you wait outside the club, standing by Blue Bayou until they have space to bring you in. I am fortunate enough to dine at the club fairly regularly thanks to close friends. I know someone here posted "You have a reservation, you don't wait", but that is not true. If you have a second seating, you frequently will wait as the party a head of you may overstay their time. (I believe the allot 2.5 hours for lunch between seatings and 3 hours for dinner.) I have been there when we have waited 40 mins past our time.

    That said, the entrance needs to move for a variety of reasons. While it is already set that it will be CoA, I would be interested in hearing where else people think it could be moved to. Keep in mind, the reasoning behind the CoA entrance is closer to the middle area between the new lounge and the main dining area. My other thought would be the pin store across from the CoA, but I don't know if that area would be large enough.
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    Re: Court of Angels IS going to Yesterland

    40 minutes for a wait these days? That is totally unacceptable! And a huge slip in service compared to the days I used to frequent back in the 70s.

    Such a shame for a restaurant that has seemed to decline over the years into what appears to be a glorified Denny's.

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    Re: Court of Angels IS going to Yesterland

    Quote Originally Posted by Seawolf View Post
    Or even better, how about they actually use the space that no one can enjoy anymore, the Dream Suite.... I say gut the thing again and use that for Club 33. I just can't get over the fact that it's a fancy hotel room that no one can experience and takes up a ridiculous amount of valuable room in NOS, might as well be a storage closet. These are the most boneheaded decisions I have ever seen in the history of this park.
    ^ Implying that the Dream Suite serves no good purpose when they haven't seen this:

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    .... nah, just kidding. I agree with you that the Dream Suite needs to go. They rarely offer it to the general public anymore anyway.

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    Re: Court of Angels IS going to Yesterland

    Quote Originally Posted by k_peek_2000 View Post
    The designers had intended the court to be a part of Club 33, but plans fell through as they so often do.
    Court of Angels was never intended to be a walled-off area of Club 33. Walt ate dinner, once, at Club 33 when it was finished but not open to the public (they brought in food so he could eat dinner with the Anaheim City Council, otherwise it wasn't open to members yet). The Court of Angels is heavily used by castmembers for access to the club from NOS, it was meant to be a general guest area, but the staircase would have also provided additional access to Walt's apartment/Club 33. Lillian Disney frequently bought stuff at the one of a kind shop, and Walt probably would've used the Court of Angels staircase for Club 33/apartment access, from time to time.

    The idea of a "Jazz club" doesn't mean that this area would be closed off to the general public, in fact, I kinda get the feeling that the jazz club wouldn't have been part of Club 33. Walt wouldn't have made plans to scrap the current Club 33 entrance when he opened the jazz club later.

    I heard about this years ago and kinda wished they went with a haunted mansion themed restaurant open to the general public.
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    Re: Court of Angels IS going to Yesterland

    Quote Originally Posted by Malcon10t View Post
    Anyone who has been to the club knows the entrance is too small. It worked when the club membership was much smaller (ie the 80s and 90s), but today, more often than not, if there is a wait for your table, you wait outside the club, standing by Blue Bayou until they have space to bring you in. I am fortunate enough to dine at the club fairly regularly thanks to close friends. I know someone here posted "You have a reservation, you don't wait", but that is not true. If you have a second seating, you frequently will wait as the party a head of you may overstay their time. (I believe the allot 2.5 hours for lunch between seatings and 3 hours for dinner.) I have been there when we have waited 40 mins past our time.

    That said, the entrance needs to move for a variety of reasons. While it is already set that it will be CoA, I would be interested in hearing where else people think it could be moved to. Keep in mind, the reasoning behind the CoA entrance is closer to the middle area between the new lounge and the main dining area. My other thought would be the pin store across from the CoA, but I don't know if that area would be large enough.
    Also, the guests going to the lounge will have a faster turnover, i.e. they won't be spending 2.5 hours, so they will need a larger area to coordinate moving guests up to the lounge and dining tables. If they add just 3 large tables to the new dining area, that will really expand dining capacity, and with the lounge Club 33 will probably get a whole lot more foot traffic than before.

    I thought a lot about how guests could get access to a new restaurant above French Market, the Court of Angels seems to be a natural waiting area. If it was open to general park admissions, then they could have just put a CM by the staircase and add the elevator and keep CoA 'open'. Club 33 requires, I would think, another locking door and intercom. They could take out the current bathrooms by the train station (and put in bathrooms somewhere else), and build a secret little entrance there that goes up, closer to the jazz club, but further away from the old Club 33 main dining room.

    They could add bathrooms near the haunted mansion fast pass area.
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    Re: Court of Angels IS going to Yesterland

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    ...If you have a second seating, you frequently will wait as the party a head of you may overstay their time. (I believe the allot 2.5 hours for lunch between seatings and 3 hours for dinner.) I have been there when we have waited 40 mins past our time.
    Quote Originally Posted by DisneyIPresume View Post
    40 minutes for a wait these days? That is totally unacceptable! And a huge slip in service compared to the days I used to frequent back in the 70s.
    There is nothing a small restaurant can do if the previous party is slow, except perhaps create a waiting area

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    Re: Court of Angels IS going to Yesterland

    Quote Originally Posted by DisneyIPresume View Post
    40 minutes for a wait these days? That is totally unacceptable! And a huge slip in service compared to the days I used to frequent back in the 70s.

    Such a shame for a restaurant that has seemed to decline over the years into what appears to be a glorified Denny's.
    If the party in front of you exceeds the 3 hour planned time, yes, you wait. The party in front of us was seated at 515p, we were scheduled for 845p. The staff was working to encourage the other party to exit. We were seated at 925p. I did not blame the staff in any way. It comes down to some people figure once they are in, they are staying as long as they possibly can, not realizing there are people waiting on their tables. It is one reason I do like the second seating, so I can stay and not inconvenience the next party. We did get move to Lounge Alley after about 20 mins, where Chef brought us a cheese plate while we waited.
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