Even if a refresh were necessary, that doesn't mean you strip away the spirit and heart of the original incantation. At the very least, build something even better, put the same amount of effort and attention to detail WED put into it in 1955.
saw it firsthand yesterday. thumbs down. it is basically a queue and a counter.
Ummm...I don't notice the aesthetics of a place until AFTER I've had my morning coffee.
If folks visited Market House for the ambiance but didn't buy coffee, that's bad marketing. No one visits Starbucks for the ambiance but they do buy coffee.
I think in this case it was important to get the coffee-selling space up and running as quickly as possible, which was done. We can always go back and tweak the design if need be. We can even contact Starbucks directly and ask them to work on it...
I used to hop the train to New Orleans Square to get my coffee. Now I will be much more likely to walk down Main Street to the Starbucks and do something else. It will be interesting to see if Starbucks changes traffic patterns...
Even in a restroom that's themed from the outside (Bugs Land) I still want modern plumbing.
1. Gorgeous, with no expense spared in terms of aesthetics and a lot of work to get the final design right (the Market House doesn't look "pretty" or "beautiful" to me, like the Jolly Holiday.)
3. Adds to the story of the land.
4. Unique, in terms of what the rest of the land offers, yet also be consistent with everything else in the given themed area.
5. Iconic, if possible. The old Market House was probably featured in postcards/fan magazines . . . I don't think anybody is going to take a picture of the new Market House for those reasons.
The Book Stop is nice, but it sure doesn't look right next to the new Market House.
I blame Starbucks, all of their joints are *very* utilitarian, boring even. Who knows why the deal with Starbucks too so long, maybe Starbucks wanted their own design teams to do stuff like the Market House, but I bet it's part of the deal: Starbucks pays for the refurb, with some input from WDI such as, "You gotta keep the phones, we'll design a little overflow area."
I don't know much about Starbucks and what they serve as I don't drink coffee, but the only stuff being sold in the Market House looks like Starbucks products, no more candy and other stuff . . . I think Starbucks has pretty much total control of what happens inside theming-wise. Look at the Dole Whip counter, they've had television screens with a Dole commercial in Adventureland! Sponsors get to push their product in ways that sometimes compromise the artistic effort in a land.
Perhaps at any ordinary Starbucks you can find at every street corner, but this is not the case at Disneyland. People pay high prices and expect the exact opposite. The parks sole purpose is to immerse its guests from the time they enter the park until they exit. Having an inconstancy randomly in the middle of that illusion defeats the purpose as a whole.Quote:
No one visits Starbucks for the ambiance but they do buy coffee.
The many outweigh the few. The $ is mightier than some few nostalgites crying in their folders.
so long as the lines and colors blend into the Main Street "land" and "story"...this place with thrive.
not everyone enjoys Starbucks, but a great enough many do.
I know my neigh and all of her friends were VERY excited to see it open... They didn't care about theming being accurate or perfect.
not many do, or should.
I can deal with the thematic inconsistencies between the counter room and the sitting room but for the love of God they need to re-staff some competent CMs to work the queues. It's been two visits now and both times there have been issues with the way the CM in charge of the queue help distribute people to available registers. If they can staff counter service CMs that have their 5 year pins why can't they at least staff a year pin CM from the Jolly Holiday Bakery to man the queues?
I'm alright with the one in DCA, but a big NO on this one! The Court of Angels closing, then Avatarland in WDW, now more Starbucks in the parks... Stop it now! Stop destroying tradition Disney! If it ain't broke don't fix it!
Not everyone is cutout for being an artist or visionary, that's why those people (the general public) are the ones paying for the tickets, and rightfully not the ones in charge of creating such a special place like Disneyland.
I wish someone could explain Starbucks to me...I like to drink black coffee and frankly Starbuck's is not very good. It is all about foofy, overpriced coffee drinks that need alot of additives tp make them taste good.
The old coffee at DL was good all by itself. I'll just goto the Plaza, for mine.
^^ Exactly. There is a sect of "Disney fans" that give two flips about the theming, design, or historical integrity of the parks and only like Disney cause of the movies and characters. They need to stop going to the parks.
This site is about sharing a love of Disney. There is no test to prove who loves it more or better. There is no right or wrong, just opinions. Opinions which flow from our own personal likes, distastes and life experiences and history with the parks and the company.
So can we please, everyone, just cut the double quoted fan nonsense? Can we quit claiming we're a better fan that others because we "get" theme? Or because we aren't so uptight? Or any other of the many ad hominems used increasingly over the past years? Can we all just love Disney together?
Walt built Disneyland for everyone. Young, old, young at heart, those into detail, those into history and placemaking, those who don't care about any of that and just want to have fun. There is no right or wrong way to Disney Fan. Be it studying out the historical significance of minutiae and woodworking techniques used, or proper knots or be it grabbing a cup of Starbucks, having fun with family and friends riding rides. Just don't try to tell others that your fandom is better than theirs. It isn't... it's just different.
(not directed at anybody in particular, just in general thoughts)
^^ But said people are...ENCOURAGING TDA and TDO's bad decisions and some are even promoting these things and gush over them. Look at the new Walt Fake Mustache they're gonna start selling. There's actually "fans" who think it's "cute" to sell a fake piece of the founder of the Company that's dead.......