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    Re: Should Disney get rid of monthly payments?

    Quote Originally Posted by sleepyjeff View Post
    May have been his thinking when he first built Disneyland but I can give you 47,000 acres worth of evidence to suggest he regretted that decision
    The guy went on National TV to show off his park under construction.
    I don't think he cared where people came from. But from what I can tell, everyone was paying the same price to enter for the day.
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    Re: Should Disney get rid of monthly payments?

    Quote Originally Posted by ravencroft View Post
    IMHO, the problem is that the resort is not big enough to handle all the people that can afford to go there, in the classic Disney style. Yeah, you can just jam em all in there and let them duke it out, but some of us don't care to participate under those conditions.
    I agree.
    Again, the AP Program would not be the one thing causing every single problem in DL if there were only 40000 or so buying them.
    But, it's over a million. I don't think DL has to discount itself so much for so many people. At the expense of full-paying guests who don't get their money's worth because of the excessive crowds, and who decide not to visit ever again.
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    Re: Should Disney get rid of monthly payments?

    Quote Originally Posted by Darkwingdolt View Post
    And spend more $
    If only that were the case for all 1 million AP'ers.
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    Re: Should Disney get rid of monthly payments?

    Quote Originally Posted by sediment View Post
    The guy went on National TV to show off his park under construction.
    I don't think he careed where people came from.
    So last year, for various crazy reasons, I ended up escorting my parents around DHS for the day. They'd never expressed interest in theme parks, so I was shocked they decided to come, but they enjoyed it. (Helps that I'm really good at knowing when to go on what ride!)

    Afterwards, when discussing the day with other relatives, they each brought up this anecdote. See my parents were born in 1947 and 1950. In Cuba and Puerto Rico respectively. And yet BOTH of them watched Walt's Disneyland program. And BOTH would beg their parents to take them to Disneyland. Which might have been on the other side of the world for what it was worth!

    My mom has in fact, made it to Disneyland once (in 1993!), my dad still hasn't (I am hoping to take them both in the next two years, though since they have walking issues, this will involve lots of planning.) But the point is, two little kids, living on islands in the Carribean were "targetted" by Walt. He absolutely wanted people from all over to come!

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    Re: Should Disney get rid of monthly payments?

    When we are saying there are "too many locals" and "full paying guests" should get priority, we're back to saying "I want someone else to get out of the park to make room for me." Disneyland is for everyone: locals and tourists.

    As to the full paying thing, there are always discount tickets, and there always have been. So if we want to nix APers because they don't pay full rack rate, are we knocking out those who bought discount tickets from Kaiser, Costco, the military base or their professional organization? Does that person who paid full price for a Hopper get priority over the person who paid full price for a single day ticket? Or should that be the opposite since with a multiple day Hopper, the guest is paying less per visit? With a six day ticket, for instance, it works out to $50/day of access to both parks, as opposed to $137 for a single day's access. Military members pay $41/day with their discount. So just how far do we want to take this?

    And lest that seem hyperbolic or far off from AP prices: yes, some people go every week. However, I'd wager that a lot of APs are like me and show up once a month or so. My pass is $370, so if I'm going, say, ten times a year, I'm paying $37/visit, which isn't so far off from some of the discounts. The difference is that I'm fronting/promising more money to Disney in advance and perhaps budgeting it over time.

    APs DO pay full price: the full price established for their pass type. Just about every type of leisure activity has dynamic pricing. If you quiz ten people on an airplane or at a hotel you will probably find ten different prices, for the same access.
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    Re: Should Disney get rid of monthly payments?

    Just bring back ticket books. Problem solved.

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    Re: Should Disney get rid of monthly payments?

    Quote Originally Posted by whoever View Post
    Just bring back ticket books. Problem solved.
    That would make the parks even more crowded, since you'd have even more people coming just to hang out or tag along with friends/relatives who are doing rides. And it wouldn't actually stop things that people complain about, such as too many guests on the walkways or APs who drop by just for dinner and Fantasmic! or the fireworks. If out of town guests complain that the park is "local" now, and that too many people hang out, they don't know what they'd be in for with ticket books and an open park admission policy.
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    Re: Should Disney get rid of monthly payments?

    Quote Originally Posted by Malina View Post
    And lest that seem hyperbolic or far off from AP prices: yes, some people go every week. However, I'd wager that a lot of APs are like me and show up once a month or so. My pass is $370, so if I'm going, say, ten times a year, I'm paying $37/visit, which isn't so far off from some of the discounts. The difference is that I'm fronting/promising more money to Disney in advance and perhaps budgeting it over time.
    So, would you be opposed to paying the same price you pay now for an AP, but getting 12-15 tickets instead of unlimited (or limited only by blackout days) access? Something to allow locals to visit on a regular basis, but not a couple times a week?

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    Re: Should Disney get rid of monthly payments?

    Quote Originally Posted by lalolovesme View Post
    So, would you be opposed to paying the same price you pay now for an AP, but getting 12-15 tickets instead of unlimited (or limited only by blackout days) access? Something to allow locals to visit on a regular basis, but not a couple times a week?
    Yes, actually, I would - because that would eliminate one of the major safety features on the AP: the ability to leave and come back another day if you're not feeling well/the park is too crowded/etc without feeling like you've wasted your money.
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    Re: Should Disney get rid of monthly payments?

    Quote Originally Posted by Malina View Post
    Yes, actually, I would - because that would eliminate one of the major safety features on the AP: the ability to leave and come back another day if you're not feeling well/the park is too crowded/etc without feeling like you've wasted your money.
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    Re: Should Disney get rid of monthly payments?

    Quote Originally Posted by sleepyjeff View Post
    Huh
    Here's an example: a few weeks ago I went to Disneyland on a Sunday. The park was really crowded, lines for everything were long, and I decided to leave after a few hours. I tried again during the week, and everything was empty.

    If I had a limited amount of tickets, I would have not left on that Sunday: I would have felt "I am obligated not to let this ticket go to waste, I want to get the most bang for my buck." It was a much better option for all involved for me to leave, knowing I could come back another day without expending another ticket.
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    Re: Should Disney get rid of monthly payments?

    Quote Originally Posted by Malina View Post
    Here's an example: a few weeks ago I went to Disneyland on a Sunday. The park was really crowded, lines for everything were long, and I decided to leave after a few hours. I tried again during the week, and everything was empty.

    If I had a limited amount of tickets, I would have not left on that Sunday: I would have felt "I am obligated not to let this ticket go to waste, I want to get the most bang for my buck." It was a much better option for all involved for me to leave, knowing I could come back another day without expending another ticket.
    I see.....my confusion was that when the tickets did exist they did not expire at he end of the day; you could use them on any return visit.
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    Re: Should Disney get rid of monthly payments?

    Quote Originally Posted by Westsider View Post
    1 Day Park Hoppers are $137 per person. So buying three 1 Day Park Hoppers per month would cost you $411 per month for a family of three.

    If you only go to Disneyland once per month with your AP, you are getting into the parks for an extreme discount. Steerage rates, really. If you go twice per month, you are entering on truck freight rates, not even steerage. And that's with a Premium AP. For those with SoCal or SoCal Select who visit once per month, it's almost like Disney is paying them to be there.

    HANDY TIP: When a CM might do something nice for you, or you are fishing for extra special treatment from a CM, or you are complaining about something to a CM, under no circumstances should you say "I'm an Annual Passholder, and..." That shuts down the service solution right there, as CM's know how cheaply that AP's enter the parks and have been told by management how much less per day they spend compared to the average domestic or international tourist. It also doesn't help that management openly blames high AP attendance days for the times that CM's have to park at Angel Stadium and be bussed in. (The next Stadium parking day is Sunday the 6th, due to no AP blockouts) Flouting your AP puts the CM on the defensive, and dials back the services offered immediately.

    Parking in Angel stadium has nothing to do with APs. Oct 6th was due to the OC Auto Show using up some of the parking lots. The only other time Angel Stadium was used recently was the 24 hour day. This is not a regular occurrence and is not at all related to APs. And my managers have never told me anything remotely close to what you're saying. All guests should be treated with courtesy. The reason APs run into problems is because they have a sense of entitlement and they think they deserve more than the average guest and that "I'm an annual passholder" is some magic phrasing that gets them whatever they want. If a guest concern arises it will be handled in the best way possible. It makes no difference what type of guest you are. And being an AP will not net you better treatment than the other guests, that is the issue.

    And yes. Get rid of monthly payments.

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    Re: Should Disney get rid of monthly payments?

    Pay a true admission cost, like a ticket book that expired, and crowds would dwindle.
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    Re: Should Disney get rid of monthly payments?

    Absolutely yes, all APs need to be gotten rid of.

    There's no question in my mind that if the monthly payment APs were to disappear, the parks would see fewer people. Likely quite a bit fewer.

    I live about 10 hours away, and visited twice in 2005, 3 times in 2006, and once a year after that. And I'm seriously considering not coming back at all. The sole reason is the huge crowds.

    When I visit, it's me, my daughter (19) and 3 to 5 of her friends. We visit for 3 days.

    We eat at least one meal in the parks each day, buy tons of popcorn, churros, etc.

    I'm too tired to do the actual math, but it seems to me that Disney may very well have lost more than it gained by having a 4 - 6 full price paying guests visit less often because of the crowds. Are big attendance numbers really best?

    It seems to me as though the parks have become more of a locals hangout that a destination resort.

    Also, while I fully realize that life is not fair, why should I not be furious that the person next to me in a ridiculously long line may very well have paid less than $5 to get in, while I paid a LOT more?

    Of course, TDC could not possibly care any less what I think, unless it has a negative effect on the bottom line. And if they keep chasing the tourists away, it may very well have just such an effect........

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