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    Re: Why can't they provide a date for BTMRR re-opening yet?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sorcerer's Apprentice View Post
    I searched. Do you have a link?
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    http://media.disneywebcontent.com/St...rbishments.pdf



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    Re: Why can't they provide a date for BTMRR re-opening yet?

    Quote Originally Posted by sean317 View Post
    I highly doubt they are "voluntarily" making Cal OSHA changes. More like making these changes in order NOT to be fined.
    Or you could ALSO view it as making safety changes to the ride to prevent situations that might result in ANOTHER fatality on a coaster that's already killed one person.

    OSHA's reactive. I'm not certain what a reactive safety organization did to create this utter distaste and animosity. MANY of the "OSHA" changes are being done by Disney in an overabundance of caution from *internal* directives, not OSHA slapping Disney. We'd know if OSHA had - there would be more ride closures, publicly filed suits for failing to follow directives etc.

    Disney's been overreactive on this front before, and in this particular case they're dealing with a ride where there has been an actual customer fatality caused by a failure in the maintenance routines. Is it not entirely possible they may be a little sensitive to this and to the public reaction that would occur if a ride that has already killed one guest then had other very public breakdowns soon after it reopened - that they may JUST be trying to make sure they've got every possible test and safety protocol in place before opening?

    Nah. HAS to be OSHA. Bad ol' OSHA, did you get mud on the carpet again?
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    Re: Why can't they provide a date for BTMRR re-opening yet?

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    Well I'll be, I sure hope that holds out true. That's right when we'll be arrivin'

    Thanks for THAT!!


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    Re: Why can't they provide a date for BTMRR re-opening yet?

    OSHA= Why the government should not be entrenched in every aspect of a company or our lives.
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    Re: Why can't they provide a date for BTMRR re-opening yet?

    I'm willing to bet all the OSHA naysayers here have never actually worked in a hazardous workplace (ironically, probably thanks to OSHA).
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    Sad Re: Why can't they provide a date for BTMRR re-opening yet?

    Quote Originally Posted by GiRiMama33 View Post
    Wow, the Jungle Cruise is closed until NOON, Mon- Thur, the first two weeks of December.

    What's going on with this, since it is being advertised as one of their newly added Christmas features this year?

    Is management cutting salary costs, in an attempt to pay for the minimal Christmas decor?

    I hate when they do things like this, but with Meg in charge, I suppose this is just a foreshadowing of things to come with other attractions and stores, after the Holiday Season - they are already doing this at all their acclaimed meet and greets, and it appears they are extending other attraction, too

    It's sad to see this lack of commitment to one of their Holiday attractions!

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    Re: Why can't they provide a date for BTMRR re-opening yet?

    Quote Originally Posted by second blue teacup View Post
    I'm willing to bet all the OSHA naysayers here have never actually worked in a hazardous workplace (ironically, probably thanks to OSHA).
    Would 39 years of working in the heavy construction trades qualify as a hazardous workplace?

    OSHA is not altogether bad, they just take their rules way too far way too often. In my own personal experience, ramming rigid rules on workers doesn't always result in increased safety. In fact, it very rarely does anything but cause contempt for said rules and those who enforce them. And occasionally, blind obedience to rigid rules gets people hurt of killed.

    As far as Disney doing all the voluntary safety stuff, as noted earlier, the main focus here is to avoid OSHA fines. TDC has time and again shown a propensity of disregard for their employees, including basic safety.

    To TDC, it's not safety, it's money. If they can invest $1000 in voluntary safety, it could save them $10,000 in fines. All corporations think this way; TDC is one of the worst.

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    Re: Why can't they provide a date for BTMRR re-opening yet?

    Incidents at Disneyland Resort - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    There have been deaths and accidents from falling. Putting up railings where a deadly fall risk exists is just common sense. If a few more months of down time prevents the death or serious injury of a worker than it's worth it.

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    Re: Why can't they provide a date for BTMRR re-opening yet?

    As a cast member at attractions. I can say that our update says opening feb 4. Of course that can always change! Testing has already started at thunder.

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    Re: Why can't they provide a date for BTMRR re-opening yet?

    Quote Originally Posted by micromind View Post
    [...]

    2) If structural problems were found, most likely there are a multitude of educated idiot engineers busily at work on it. And each one is mostly trying desperately to make himself look better than the rest.

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    Everyone likes to hate on engineers, but if you were the person who had to sign off on something such as BTMRR which sees that volume of people on a daily basis, and were morally and even legally liable for everyone's wellbeing, you'd work on the safe side of things too. There is no money or benefit in showing off, but there is significant reason to ensure one wont be sued out of existence or thrown in jail because of the dwindling budgets and unrealistic time periods they have to work with.

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    Re: Why can't they provide a date for BTMRR re-opening yet?

    Quote Originally Posted by BogLurch View Post
    Or you could ALSO view it as making safety changes to the ride to prevent situations that might result in ANOTHER fatality on a coaster that's already killed one person.

    OSHA's reactive. I'm not certain what a reactive safety organization did to create this utter distaste and animosity. MANY of the "OSHA" changes are being done by Disney in an overabundance of caution from *internal* directives, not OSHA slapping Disney. We'd know if OSHA had - there would be more ride closures, publicly filed suits for failing to follow directives etc.

    Disney's been overreactive on this front before, and in this particular case they're dealing with a ride where there has been an actual customer fatality caused by a failure in the maintenance routines. Is it not entirely possible they may be a little sensitive to this and to the public reaction that would occur if a ride that has already killed one guest then had other very public breakdowns soon after it reopened - that they may JUST be trying to make sure they've got every possible test and safety protocol in place before opening?

    Nah. HAS to be OSHA. Bad ol' OSHA, did you get mud on the carpet again?
    Exactly right.

    The anti-regulation viewpoint leaves out two important things about amusement park safety.

    One, that the California amusement park industry in general and Disney in particular brought regulation upon themselves with a decade of substandard maintenance, and the accidents associated with it, in the 1990s. When it became apparent that Disney and other amusement park companies were focused on the bottom line to the detriment of the safety of customers and workers, the public demanded action from Sacramento, and they got it in a series of new regulations.

    And two, that without strict regulation, the state's amusement park companies -- Disney included and especially -- would eventually revert to putting profit over safety.

    Bottom line, government regulation of Disney theme parks exists because Disney and the amusement park industry proved -- like the mining, construction, railroad, automobile, airline, manufacturing and food processing industries earlier in the 20th century -- that they cannot be trusted to regulate safety standards themselves. That left to their own devices, they will sideline safety to increase profits.
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    Re: Why can't they provide a date for BTMRR re-opening yet?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wiggins View Post
    Exactly right.

    The anti-regulation viewpoint leaves out two important things about amusement park safety.

    One, that the California amusement park industry in general and Disney in particular brought regulation upon themselves with a decade of substandard maintenance, and the accidents associated with it, in the 1990s. When it became apparent that Disney and other amusement park companies were focused on the bottom line to the detriment of the safety of customers and workers, the public demanded action from Sacramento, and they got it in a series of new regulations.

    And two, that without strict regulation, the state's amusement park companies -- Disney included and especially -- would eventually revert to putting profit over safety.

    Bottom line, government regulation of Disney theme parks exists because Disney and the amusement park industry proved -- like the mining, construction, railroad, automobile, airline, manufacturing and food processing industries earlier in the 20th century -- that they cannot be trusted to regulate safety standards themselves. That left to their own devices, they will sideline safety to increase profits.
    Exactly. Disney's proven this. I'd much rather see them close a ride for two months to bring it in compliance with OSHA than see even one more death or injury of either a cast member or a guest. One is too many.

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    Re: Why can't they provide a date for BTMRR re-opening yet?

    They must have just updated the target date for BTMRR...According to http://media.disneywebcontent.com/St...rbishments.pdf (the link provided by GiRiMama33), BTMRR will be closed until Jan 31st 2014... so it will be open on Feb 1st now as opposed to Feb 15th... must be ahead of schedule!

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    Re: Why can't they provide a date for BTMRR re-opening yet?

    I had heard somewhere on here that it was to open Feb 14th

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    Re: Why can't they provide a date for BTMRR re-opening yet?

    Quote Originally Posted by pushforth View Post
    They must have just updated the target date for BTMRR...According to http://media.disneywebcontent.com/St...rbishments.pdf (the link provided by GiRiMama33), BTMRR will be closed until Jan 31st 2014... so it will be open on Feb 1st now as opposed to Feb 15th... must be ahead of schedule!
    You're right! They adjusted to 2/1 opening.



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